<p>ok i corrected it after i got confused between the relationship between delta G and E (standard cell potential), nevertheless, I still proved my point.</p>
<p>"concerning the subject of blackhole, Hawking admitted that the so called "Blackhole evaporation" does not exist, he never said blackhole or wormhole can't exist.</p>
<p>Go read up</p>
<p>also hawking rarely publish calculations, he do them in his head. he is not very effective at getting those lengthy calculation out, he only tells you the results."</p>
<p>No blackhole evaporation = no wormhole time-travel
Black holes and wormholes certainly do exist, but time-travel through them doesn't. Besides, in order to explain Hezekiah, you'd have to pass Earth itself through a wormhole without messing up the solar system in the process, I'd imagine...</p>
<p>O the ignorance.</p>
<p>go read up on the calculation of Gibb's free energy, in some circumstances entropy decreases, but free energy remains negative, because there is another thing called delta H</p>
<p>"No blackhole evaporation = no wormhole time-travel"</p>
<p>worm hole is not blackhole. wormhole is linked to the so called naked singularity in kerr blackholes and such, and i don't see how wormhole and blackhole evaporation relate.</p>
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Ahem AP Chemistry students out there...I'm sure you remember this:</p>
<p>[delta]G = [delta]H - T[delta]S (all deltas standard)</p>
<p>The formation of amino acids I'm sure is an endothermic process, so H is positive. If T is high enough, then the Gibbs free energy would be negative, meaning that the reaction is spontaneous. Temperature can go very high since the earth was very volcanic back then, meaning that delta G (and thus the formation of amino acids) is a spontaneous process.
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<p>Fine then. When T is high enough and is mulitplied to S (which is positive), it will weigh out the H. This explanation is for those who cannot do simple mental algebra.</p>
<p>"Fine then. When T is high enough and is mulitplied to S (which is positive), it will weigh out the H. This explanation is for those who cannot do simple mental algebra."</p>
<p>good. and it's called a type 2 or type 3 reaction. </p>
<p>BTW, i recieved 5 on both AP chem and bio, and had straight A in college bio and chem courses, so...</p>
<p>Berkeley, delta-S is NEGATIVE, so the second term is POSITIVE no matter what temperature it is
Delta-H is POSITIVE if the reaction is endothermic (which it has to be, since we can burn amino acids for fuel)
Therefore, Delta-G is POSITIVE NO MATTER WHAT, which means the reaction is NON-SPONTANEOUS
The only way it can happen is with (1) a side reaction that has a HUGE NEGATIVE delta-G (which is how plants make it) or with (2) lottery-winning luck.</p>
<p>YOU better read up on your thermo now...</p>
<p>delta-S negative??? better check up on that...</p>
<p>"Berkeley, delta-S is NEGATIVE, so the second term is POSITIVE no matter what temperature it is
Delta-H is POSITIVE if the reaction is endothermic (which it has to be, since we can burn amino acids for fuel)
Therefore, Delta-G is POSITIVE NO MATTER WHAT, which means the reaction is NON-SPONTANEOUS
The only way it can happen is with (1) a side reaction that has a HUGE NEGATIVE delta-G (which is how plants make it) or with (2) lottery-winning luck."</p>
<p>eh? you are twisting something that is being teach to students worldwide everyday. If you somehow manage to twist this. I bow to you. A discussion that must distort science is fruitless and is offensive to my faith (science)</p>
<p>also I believe berkeley inverted the turns, delta S stands alone and H is with the temperature.</p>
<p>of course, theoretical physics is not my field, and I have a feeling it isn't yours either, so let's not get into a debate where both of us are bound to mess up pretty badly</p>
<p>Delta-S = Change in entropy
Amino acids are more complex than those simple gases, so Delta-S must be negative</p>
<p>no delta s is usually postive which makes the second term negative. it would make little sense in saying that as tempature increases the the reaction is less likely to occur.</p>
<p>"of course, theoretical physics is not my field, and I have a feeling it isn't yours either, so let's not get into a debate where both of us are bound to mess up pretty badly"</p>
<p>It just happens that I am taking a course on modern physics.</p>
<p>im too tired right now...Im still in post-AP mode.</p>
<p>In this case Delta-S is negative</p>
<p>Visualization time! I take a canister with those gases, and I place them in an oven. Do I get amino acids? No! I take a canister of amino acids, and I heat them. Do I get those gases? Yes! What do you think happens when Mom burns her meatloaf?</p>
<p>"Amino acids are more complex than those simple gases, so Delta-S must be negative"</p>
<p>actually, for the same class of molecules, the larger it is, the less organized it is, for there are more ways to twist/turn (intermolecular bonds).</p>
<p>go read.</p>
<p>"Visualization time! I take a canister with those gases, and I place them in an oven. Do I get amino acids? No! I take a canister of amino acids, and I heat them. Do I get those gases? Yes! What do you think happens when Mom burns her meatloaf?"</p>
<p>actually there has been an experiment done, in a primitive earth condition, amino acids have been synthesised from their precursors. I don't know why you are choosing this link to attack, especially when it has been proven to be possible.</p>
<p>though amino acids don't usually clog up and form proteins by themselves.</p>
<p>Taking an intro class, and yet you claim to be able to understand Hawking...conceited, aren't we?</p>
<p>"Taking an intro class, and yet you claim to be able to understand Hawking...conceited, aren't we?"</p>
<p>I took the intro class in highschool. I didn't claim to understand him, but on my intro course the professor told us there is no link between evaporation of blackhole and wormhole.</p>
<p>"actually, for the same class of molecules, the larger it is, the less organized it is, for there are more ways to twist/turn (intermolecular bonds).</p>
<p>go read."</p>
<p>An amino acid is a molecule in the same class as carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrogen?</p>
<p>fine, for ANY molecules, the larger it is, the less organized it is because there are more ways to twist/turn (intermolecular bonds).</p>
<p>If you have never read a chemistry text in your life, I suggest you stop arguing on this front. You are making a fool out of yourself.</p>