<p>Hi, my daughter attends an out of state high school, but will be checking the "resident" box on her application because we own a business and rent a property in Texas. Will the admission counselor view her as in state or out of state? If they consider her in state and she is not in the top 8%, but in the top quarter, will a 1780 on her SAT be enough? She scored a 28 on her ACT. Should I have her re-take the SAT?</p>
<p>The UT website has lots of links on the rules established for determining residency. I would look there. If looks dubious to me that your daughter is a resident of Texas as she doesn’t live here and does not attend a Texas High School, but there are many people paid lots of money to make this determination.</p>
<p>It isn’t UT rules, but state law that governs what they have to follow. It seems that this site has a fair amount of information: [College</a> For All Texans: Residency Information](<a href=“College For All Texans: Home”>College For All Texans: Residency Information)</p>
<p>Here’s the same rules as presented on the UT admissions site, with important contact information. A parent needs to live in Texas this year.
[Establishing</a> Residency | Be a Longhorn](<a href=“http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/residency/establishing]Establishing”>http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/residency/establishing)</p>
<p>Whether she’s in-state or OOS won’t matter if she’s not in the top 8%–her app will be reviewed holistically for both admission and major (everyone’s app undergoes holistic review for assignment to major). Here are the factors:
[Application</a> Review | Be a Longhorn](<a href=“http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/review]Application”>http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/review)</p>
<p>You should only submit the best score, whether ACT or SAT. Her 28 ACT is better per the concordance (assuming it was with writing, which UT requires).
[Testing</a> & Test Scores | Be a Longhorn](<a href=“http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/admission/testing]Testing”>http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/admission/testing)
<a href=“http://www.act.org/aap/concordance/pdf/reference.pdf[/url]”>http://www.act.org/aap/concordance/pdf/reference.pdf</a></p>
<p>The 28 ACT was the 2011 freshman class average, so that puts her at roughly 50% on testing. Assuming her rank is outside the top 10%, she’s is in the bottom 25% for rank.
<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/academic/ima/sites/default/files/SHB11-12Students.pdf[/url]”>http://www.utexas.edu/academic/ima/sites/default/files/SHB11-12Students.pdf</a>
<a href=“https://sp.austin.utexas.edu/sites/ut/rpt/Documents/IMA_PUB_CDS_2011_AY.pdf[/url]”>https://sp.austin.utexas.edu/sites/ut/rpt/Documents/IMA_PUB_CDS_2011_AY.pdf</a></p>
<p>It’s tough to predict chances at UT. You can see from the above data compilations that there are not many spots available for non-auto admits from Texas and OOS, so the competition is fierce among that group of holistic review admits. A student who is light on the Academic Index should work hard on the expanded resume and essays, plus submit strong rec letters, to boost the Personal Achievement score. </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>In state or out of state, I think it is a long shot unless she has some outstanding quality that you are not sharing…like a national level award, etc. Even then, like TXArtemis has stated, her stats are below average.</p>
<p>stats arent great. you can apply to ut but its a hit or miss, out of state or in state</p>
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<li><p>retake the sat / act and do amazing on it</p></li>
<li><p>attend a community college for 1 year and maintain at least a 3.7(mostly A’s only a couple B’s)</p></li>
<li><p>If they give you the option go to UTSA, UTD, UTA or any of the ut feeder schools. (i believe this is called cap program)</p></li>
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<p>i was in the same position when i was graduating high school.
i tried really hard senior year took ap calculus,chem,physics,english,govt/econ
by the end of it my stats still werent good enough</p>
<p>i turned it around by having a ~3.8 gpa at ACC</p>
<p>i was offered cap but i decided not to do it because of cost.</p>
<p>I should mention that her older sister was accepted to UT in 2010 as an out of state student and she will be a junior in the school of natural sciences/apparel design. She scored a 27 on her ACT and an 1840 on her SAT and had a lower rank and GPA than the daughter that is applying now. You are all pretty doom and gloom like you think my kid is below average when her sister was accepted with lower scores, except for the SAT. Sure, her scores could be higher but she is in the National Honor Society, Spanish Honor Society, Varsity soccer team since she was a freshman and nominated as a School Leadership rep for sports. Sorry, but we’ve been through this before and had success. Just trying to access if she should retake her SAT or leave it and whether or not she will be thrown into the in-state or out of state pile (based on attending a high school out of state) for admissions.</p>
<p>Her GPA is a 4.9… 5 point scale. All of her classes are AP too.</p>
<p>This is hearsay, but I have heard that OOS odds are better because they pay the higher tuition.</p>
<p>OOS odds are not better because they only take 5% out of state,90% are in state, and the rest are international. UT is not like some schools that prefer to admit many OOS students because of higher tuition rates. They are loyal to their in state applicants, if anything. If they review all apps holistically, then they are not basing their acceptance decision on in state or out of state, but rather a compilation of all factors, making sure the percentages stay 90/5/5. 5% of 7500 admissions is not that many when there are many states and applicants from OOS too.</p>
<p>It is not doom and gloom. And the admissions landscape at UT has changed considerably from 2010 to 2012. You said…</p>
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<p>Then you know the answer and just because you didn’t like what was said here, you asked, we answered. If you were not prepared for a myriad of answers, then you certainly had the opportunity to not ask the question. My biggest pet peeve on this board is people seeking advise/answers, and then saying, “Oh, but that is not what I wanted to hear.”</p>
<p>You provided very little information in your initial post. We simply spoke based on what you provided. If you care paint to the true picture, maybe you might get different responses.</p>
<p>Sheesh, don’t shoot the messengers, luv. :eek: The facts are the facts! No one said your daughter was “below average”–she sounds like a terrific young woman, and she just might knock it out of the park on her app and earn an admit! But she needs to know the score before she starts playing, and if you don’t like working with facts, then all you have to do is flip back a few pages and look at the class of 2012’s admission results to understand why “no worries, big sister got in with worse stats :p” is not what her younger sister needs to hear right now. </p>
<p>Here are the answers you wanted:</p>
<p>Residency–Call the admissions residency office today. No one cannot predict how UT will apply the law to your personal and private family facts and financial information.</p>
<p>1780 SAT retake–If her class rank is top 25% and her best test score is 28 ACT, she should consider retaking the ACT (with writing) unless (1) the 100-point advantage she already has in testing on the ACT vs. SAT is misleading as to which format she’s likely to perform better on, and (2) she won’t be able to put in the test prep necessary to make a score increase significant enough to warrant the time suck and stress. (You have to look at the data to figure out what’s significant enough.)</p>
<p>Hook 'em!</p>
<p>Spoke with admissions and she will be viewed as out of state. She will not retake the ACT because of points you mentioned TXArtemis and also because she would like to get her application in sooner, rather than later. We will hope for the best and I appreciate your help. College shopping is needlessly snippy… prefer advice from TXArtemis. Thanks!</p>
<p>Glad you got the info you needed. collegeshopping is a mom like you and me–she knows her stuff, and gosh, we all get a little snippy when we’re talking about our cubs and this crazy college admission game! :)</p>
<p>Best of luck to your daughter–hope she becomes Longhorn #2 in your family!</p>
<p>Sorry, luvsun, but you need to develop thicker skin if you are going to post on the internet. Or pay for a private counselor if YOU are going to be snippy when asking for advice.</p>