Oxbridge/Essex/McGill and AP

<p>Hi, I have a couple questions policies regarding AP exams at Oxbridge, Essex and McGill. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)</p>

<p>In my school district (in America), there's one IB high school school, and during eighth grade, you have to apply to transfer there. I decided not to, but I've just recently thought about applying to schools abroad, especially Oxbridge (probably Oxford) and Essex in the UK and McGill in Canada. I don't think I'd switch to IB even if I had the option, but out of curiosity, I'm wondering if those colleges would favor full IB diploma candidates over someone with 10+ AP exams.</p>

<p>Also, do any of them give advanced placement/credit for good AP scores? And could AP scores be sent directly (through the College Board) to those schools?</p>

<p>Thanks. :)</p>

<p>Go to the McGill/Oxbridge boards. You'll be more likely to get help there. The McGill website should have answers to all your McGill questions, but it's badly designed and its search engine is really sucky (which is a shame for the university that developped the first ever search engine).</p>

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Also, do any of them give advanced placement/credit for good AP scores? And could AP scores be sent directly (through the College Board) to those schools?

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For UK schools the answer is no and no. (though you could always ask college Board. Things may have changed).</p>

<p>Oxbridge application deadline in 20th September for internationals, so get filling in you application form ASAP</p>

<p>i don't know about Cambridge, but for Oxford, they usually accept you conditionally, based on what APs / other standardized exams you plan to take after you apply. like, they'd say "yes, we're accepting you, as long as you get x grade on x AP exam"
so credit isn't reallllly "transferred" but it still matters</p>

<p>I don't think Oxford and Cambridge favor IB over AP scores, as long as your AP scores are 5s in subjects relevant to your course (and 4s otherwise). For Oxford at least, you can report your AP scores on the application.</p>

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I don't know about Cambridge, but for Oxford, they usually accept you conditionally, based on what APs / other standardized exams you plan to take after you apply. like, they'd say "yes, we're accepting you, as long as you get x grade on x AP exam"
so credit isn't reallllly "transferred" but it still matters

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Same with all UK schools. Uk students get a "conditional offer" based on their A-level results. These grades just came out on Thursday (it's a big national event and the students with the best scores appear in the papers and stuff) and if you don't get the grades for your first choice you are rejected. If you're not doing A-levels they will probably give you conditions that include APs or IB (actually IB is really common here. Usually a conditional offer is about 39/40 points. Only US students have APs).</p>

<p>Many people in my school (American International school) have applied to the UK, and they all got conditional applications, meaning that they would be accepted if they got such and such grades on the AP exams they were taking (a girl got a conditional acceptance from Edinburgh, saying that in order to be accepted she needed to get 4's on her 3 AP exams). However, if you have taken a good number of AP's before you send your application and have gotten your scores back, it is possible to get an unconditional acceptance I think (I'll see how I do, I'm taking 4 AP's in May so I'll have the scores of 5 AP's when I send my application, taking 5 more in senior year).</p>

<p>In the UK you won't get credit (UK degrees are very in depth, and only 3 years, remember) for your AP's, but it's the most important part of your application, they only glance through your SAT's and GPA (completely disregarding EC's), so get good grades on it lol</p>

<p>European admission is very different from US admission, but its not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of people at my school plan on going to the UK, and you can find lots of information about specific programs here:
<a href="http://www.ucas.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ucas.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Actually, I think the only way to apply to UK universities is using the UCAS form. Also when you can only apply to 8 different universities (all on one form) and they will know if you are their first choice. Also, when you apply to a university, you apply to the COURSE not the university as a whole. So if you decide to change programs...its going to be a painful process. Also, you get conditional offers, so you can't get the common case of senioritis and slack of during your last year because you were given an offer. </p>

<p>Also, sometimes a program that requires a 4-4-4-4-3 (on APs) will give you an offer of 3-3-3-3-3 or maybe even 4-4-4-5-5. So it varies greatly. Also, merit scholarships aren't given out very often. </p>

<p>Hope that helps</p>

<p>Actually, you can only apply to five universities through UCAS, and UCAS is the only way to apply. It was six up until this year, but they have just decided to limit it. They do not know if they are your first choice, and in fact, there is no attitude of showing a university that you favour them at all. As you only write one essay that is sent to all of your colleges, you can't write 'and Exeter is my first choice', as your other four options would most likely then reject you. Colleges don't keep track of 'demonstrated interest', and there really is no opportunity to highlight one university above the others, except with Oxbridge, as you also fill in another form with a little 'why did you apply?' box for thoe two. But again, saying 'and Oxford is my first choice and I would definitely attend if accepted' won't make any difference, as it's generally assumed that if you get in, you will attend, although obviously you don't have to do so. The only time when they know whether they are your first choice is after they have made their offers, where you accept one 'firm' offer, which you will attend if you get the grades, and one 'insurance' offer, which you'll attend if you don't.</p>

<p>And a word of advice regarding this 'first choice' business: don't apply before the Oxbridge deadline if you are not applying to Oxbridge. Certain universities (Bristol is one that has been known for it) often seem to reject highly qualified candidates who they think are applying to Oxbridge, as they want students who want to attend these just-below-Oxbridge-level schools, and not as a last resort. This may not be true in all cases, but it's better to be safe than sorry, right?</p>

<p>Also, regarding APs, you'll probably be given an offer based on three scores, and they most likely won't care about how you score on the others (beyond looking at ones you've already taken and seeing that you're a good student). For example, I'm taking five A levels, but I've received offers from universities of, say, AAB. As long as I get two As and a B within my five A levels, I'm accepted, even if my actual scores end up as AABEE. I'd assume it's the same with APs. And be careful with 'typical offers'. As atomicbomb said, these don't always reflect the level of the university. Edinburgh, for example, always gives offers of BBB, but if you're applying for a highly selective course like English Literature, you're highly unlikely to get an offer if you're not getting As. Occasionally, you might even get an offer of EE (I know a girl who got this from Cambridge. She got 5 As at A level). This doesn't mean the university is terrible and desperate for students. It simply means that they're desperate for you to attend their university, and so try to make themselves more appealing by giving you a less stressful exam period.</p>

<p>@Dallyra</p>

<p>I could have sworn that the UCAS form told the university if it was the applicants first choice, but I could be mistaken. You're 100% right about the change in number of universities you can apply to. </p>

<p>I'm not personally applying to UK so I don't really pay attention when our guidance counselor talks about it :P</p>

<p>Why Essex? Essex is a very mediocre university.</p>

<p>BTW, you cannot apply to both Oxford and Cambridge. You may only apply to ONE college of Oxford or Cambridge per year. Most Americans choose an "open application", which means that the Uni assigns your app randomly to a college that had fewer applications for your particular course than other colleges did. So pick the University you like the most and make an open application, unless a particular college particularly strikes your eye.</p>

<p>For APs it would usually depend on which course ("major") you're applying to. If you are applying for Maths at Oxford or Cambridge, you'd probably want a 5 in BC Calculus and some other scientific field. The Cambridge website says that they would give an offer of 554 or 555 on 3 APs. For IBs, you'd need around a 766 or higher on your higher levels and at least a 5 on your standard levels. Your offer would probably be a 766 or 776 or 777 with a diploma score of anywhere from 38-45.</p>

<p>If you can't make those grades but you still would like to study in the UK, you might consider some near-Oxbridge unis such as Bristol, Durham, Warwick, or the colleges of Kings, Imperial, or University in London. You might also want to look into St Andrews or Edinburgh in Scotland or Queens in Belfast and also Trinity in Dublin.</p>

<p>McGill's admissions process is pretty much identical to the American process except there is no essay, rec letters, or extracurriculars needed unless you are applying for a scholarship. All they look at are grades, APs, and SAT Is and IIs. I believe that an A- average (on the Canadian scale, which means around an 85) and SATs around 650+ should get you in.</p>

<p>BTW, you won't get any financial aid at all from the British schools, and will have to apply for a merit based scholarship at McGill, which would be at most $10k Canadian. Your outside scholarship money, if any, might also not be valid outside of the USA. You'd need to check with the agency giving the money to be sure.</p>

<p>"Why Essex? Essex is a very mediocre university."</p>

<p>No, actually it isn't.</p>

<p>theloneranger brings up a very important point to consider -- unless you parents have agreed to pay for college 100%, you will have trouble affording school in the UK. the costs for everything run around $40,000 a year -- and there is no fiancial aid for US students. most scholarships awarded in the US cannot be used for overseas schools and neither can any federal financial aid. Make sure you discuss this with you parents before completing applications.</p>