Oxford and Cambridge ?

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<p>^ Heartiest congratulations! It's a magnificent achievement! Well done! And yeah, you're right about ECs being subjective and academics rather objective.</p>

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<p>Academics are difficult to compare across different educational systems as well.</p>

<p>Take me, for example. In my home educational system I have to take a selection of humanities, social sciences and sciences every year until I graduate. I was taking the hardest sciences and was still bored, but I got Cs and Ds in my humanities classes. Little chance to get into Oxford there. However, had I been a British student I would have picked 4 sciences for my A-levels and I might have had a decent chance.</p>

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<p>My English teacher told me that if i have a straight 4.0 grades ,about 110 on TOEFL (I have more) and about 2200 on the SAT I would have great chance of being accepted to Oxbridge while on the other hand just good chances of being accepted to HYPS .</p>

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<p>^ not true.
Oxbridge put a lot of weight in the interview.</p>

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<p>hmm, does oxbridge place a huge emphasis on your previous results, as in those you score for during normal school examinations and not the nation wide ones, or do they simply look at your predicted grades when you apply?</p>

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<p>If you don't have results from national exams yet by the time you apply, Oxbridge will have to look at your regular grades and make a decision based on those. If you are accepted, they will tell you exactly what grades you have to achieve on the national exams to keep your spot.</p>

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<p>Is there any way to gain an unconditional offer from Oxford after doing only AS Levels (i.e. 12 years of British education)?</p>

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<p>Um, aren't the requirements AAA at A-level? AS-level won't be enough.</p>

<p>Unless, you meet the SATs and SAT IIs requirements instead.</p>

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<p>If you mean you've done AS and will do/have done A Levels but don't know the results of your A Levels at the time of application, then yes - you can get what is known as a "matric offer", which is EE (pass two subjects at A Level and you're in). If you get a matric offer you're as good as in.</p>

<p>Only some schools do that, though - Christ's at Cambridge makes quite a lot of matric offers, but I don't have too many details. I know two people who got matriculation offers: one to Christ's, the other to Goldsmiths (UoL). Both were exceptional candidates and both got straight As anyway.</p>

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<p>So the national exams are also important even though we have already been admitted ?</p>

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<p>Yes. If your national scores turn out lower than expected from your previous academic performance, you will lose your spot.</p>

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<p>Thanks for your responses, cdover and phantompong. Very informative indeed.</p>

<p>I also want to know which one from Oxford and Cambridge is easier to get into for International students. I've heard Oxford takes more International students than Cambridge so does an International applicant stand a better chance at Cam because of lesser competition there (relatively speaking)? Are there any specific colleges one should target to maximize one's chances of getting admitted (as was the case if one wanted a 'matric offer')?</p>

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<p>BTW,are you considered ''international student'' if you have a citizenship of ECC ?</p>

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<p>EU citizens pay the same tuition as British students and don't need a visa. Is that what you are asking? </p>

<p>There's no official distinction between "international" and "domestic".</p>

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<p>In the US colleges there is distinction between US students and International students.There is also a quata for international students.I am asking if according to British universities students who are citizens of ECC but not of UK are considered internaitional ?</p>

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<p>In the US there is no strict definition of an "international" student either. It's just a convenient label to refer to a group of students whose meaning becomes clear in context. For example, in some contexts an international student is anyone but a US citizen, or not a US citizen or permanent resident. In other contexts it's everyone who went to high school overseas, regardless of citizenship.</p>

<p>Just take a look at a college's information page for "international applicants." It gives a lot of information for students who are not the typical American high school student, but not every piece of information will apply to every "international" student. Students may have grown up in the US but need a visa to go to college. They will read the visa and financial aid information for non-citizens but nothing else on the international student page. An American citizen who has grown up overseas might be interested only in the application instructions for applicants from a different school system. And then there's the "typical" international student who needs to know everything on the website.</p>

<p>Most universities don't have quotas for international students. (Though they certainly do have targets!) Actually, I don't think I am aware of a single university with a quota for internationals. Please do correct me if I am wrong! I have heard of state universities with quotas for out-of-state students, but that quota applies to a lot more than just international students.</p>

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<p>At most UK universities, International Students have a significantly EASIER time of getting in than others - which is in direct contrast to the best US universities. While domestic undergraduate students pay some £3225 for a year of education, international students pay £13450 for most courses of study (Fees quoted are Oxford's - Undergraduate</a> Tuition Fee Rates). Since this is one of the few methods that the public UK universities have of raising money, at many schools, being an international represents significantly more money for the school, and such admissions are easier (which is not to say that they become easy).</p>

<p>As with the US schools, international status usually turns entirely on money. In accordance with EU rules, a student who is a citizen of and ordinarily resident in the EU is a domestic student. Anyone else is an international student.</p>

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<p>THis is the first time i realize that international students and UK students pay different amount of money for UK universities.I tought the money was the same - about 3500 pounts.
I am so glad my country was accepted to European Union (ECC) in 2007 :D</p>

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<p>EEC =/= EU</p>

<p>In fact, the EEC ceased to exist back in 1993.</p>

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<p>It is NOTHING to do with citizenship and EVERYTHING to do with TAX. This is a very important distinction.</p>

<p>To be treated as a "home" student and pay reduced fees (subsidised by the British Government), you or your parents (if you're are or were under 18) must have paid tax in an EU country for the last 3 or 4 years. If your parents are working outside the EU, you will have to pay international student fees. This applies to UK citzens as well. Also, it doesn't count if you've been at boarding school in the EU. Your parents must be paying taxes there. If you are a non-Eu citizen but paying taxes in the EU, you would be allowed "home" fees.</p>

<p>Please check the conditions exactly if this may be an issue for you. I am not sure about the number of years.</p>