<p>hey hey hey!
No wonder there's little hope for a country like Pakistan...?????
how dare you say that?
i take offence to that...
youre going to MIT? i find that very tough to believe when you make such a blatanlty offensive and generalized remark!!
pls apologize!</p>
<p>Any hamwatan planning to go to UT Austin undergrad??</p>
<p>thts true, you can't just compare 2 people's statistics and say that X should get in and Y shouldn't. Have you read their essays? teacher recommendations? Do you know how much interest they showed in the schools they applied to? The admission process, according to me, is completely fair. Its not like universities in Pakistan where they treat people like robots and have a "formula" for admission.</p>
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thts true, you can't just compare 2 people's statistics and say that X should get in and Y shouldn't. Have you read their essays? teacher recommendations? Do you know how much interest they showed in the schools they applied to? The admission process, according to me, is completely fair.
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<p>I strongly disagree. Students from not so developed places in India and Pakistan (becuz I know about these countries) always are at a disadvantage when applying to US Colleges due to non-availability of good opportunities. Most of the top school admits are from the Metro cities.. Why??</p>
<p>i took a general thingee...anyway, i basically sought explanation for the Babson thing...havent got it yet
(thanks very much (sarcastically) for the Advice)</p>
<p>@ronty - well they cant magically find out whether you have potential or not - they have to see some evidence. And let me tell you, (atleast for pakistan) .. these people also lie a lot in their applications (i know like 20 people who did), get fake transcripts from the not-so-reputable schools (Kims and Cardinal are examples), get fake EC certificates... is that fair?</p>
<p>using unfair means is wrong. no doubt. But judging people from all the regions of India in the same parameter isnt right either. When u say that their(US Colleges) admission system is fair, then their inability to pick talented students from non-metro cities is their failure.</p>
<p>yes, true, but do they have a choice ? because all these "small" schools from underrepresented regions lie, make fake transcripts, write overly-nice recos etc... International schools or big schools that send a lot of students abroad are more creditable...</p>
<p>Let me give you an example - Westminster college (lahore, PK), gave a student a predicted AAA and he got a DDE on his final Exams... thats insane!</p>
<p>tell me, to get 6 world recs from ur fathers institute is fair, and then get a 'job' as assistant teacher is fair, then mention that into ur application is fair??? and to get in like that is fair??
if i do that, i know its not fair, but worth it, but u have to FEEL for those that didnt...</p>
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<p>Arent u generalising things too much?? "all small schools"?? If u think so then u r utterly wrong. Had it been that then many top people in India, who have been educated in India, hadnt become great, as many of them were from non-metro cities.</p>
<p>US college admissions are fair; if you have the stats that overtakes all the other applicants, you are most likely to get accepted. </p>
<p>Most important thing that impresses them: SAT SCORES..gpa, is secondary, get a 2250, some decent EC's, which shows your social potential in an area (forte) , and awards; oh yes i forgot to mention the essays....</p>
<p>if u dont have a high SAT score (say an 1800), but a 4.0gpa, you can't expect much....</p>
<p>sorry the "all" was a mistake - what i meant to say was that colleges usually have a bad experience from these small schools...</p>
<p>and btw, I have lived in both countries, and its MUCH worse (the lying part) in Pakistan than it is in India...(I am pakistani, but i have to admit)</p>
<p>hmmm... The All India ICSE (like 'O' level exam) topper, who had great essays, SATs, and EC's got rejected by all the Univs where he applied, except Cornell, which didnt give him any aid. So he wont be going there. Is it fair? He belongs from a very small city. Also, I know many sub-par applicants gaining admission in top US Schools. Yes, some didnt need any aid, but some of them did get in with aid.</p>
<p>Maybe his essays were bad or ECs. You're still judging his potential by Indian standards.</p>
<p>School reputation matters as well because colleges want people who will be able to handle the culture change. This might sound discriminatory, but tell me Ronty, would you say a person from Patiala would adjust faster in the US or someone from Mumbai?</p>
<p>In addition to talent, people skills are equally important. Most Indians forget this in their 'righteous' anger. Even companies would rather have individuals who handled their interview suavely rather than a clod with better marks but no idea of how to speak.</p>
<p>Yes Im generalizing the fact that small town people lack social skills, but an adcomm in faraway America who will never meet such a person face to face needs something to go by, and they go by the reputation of the person's school.</p>
<p>"and they go by the reputation of the person's school."
Which in turn proves the point that their system is not totally fair...</p>
<p>From their POV its as fair as it can get. I don't think they care if a few Intls are complaining about it not being fair.</p>
<p>Vampiro, what would you do if you had to admit a student from an unknown school in Pakistan - and you had bad experience from most small schools because they make fair transcripts? In that way, nothing in life is fair...</p>
<p>" In that way, nothing in life is fair..."
Exactly my point</p>