Parent Plus Loan denied, was relying on it for remainder of my tuition--

I’m an incoming freshman at NYU Tisch, and I come from a single parent, household. We’re about as low income as you can get with my mom barely making $20,000 a year. I’ll be the first person in my family to go to a four year college in the US, as my mother is an immigrant, which I guess is where my story really starts.

I knew I wanted to go to NYU Tisch for years, and I knew my family would never be able to afford it, so I did everything you’re supposed to do in my situation. I applied ED1, I filled out the FAFSA, I applied for external scholarships, I did it all, as stressful as it was, and then, in mid December, I got accepted. When I got accepted, I reviewed my financial aid package, and low and behold, I had been granted a hefty scholarship that essentially (with the exception of about 2000 dollars, but these were covered by grants) covered my tuition. The remaining cost of room and board were issued to me in a series of loans, including a Perkins loan, unsubsidized and subsidized federal loans, a Parent Plus Loan of about $14,000, a Pell grant, and a work study.

When I asked my guidance counselor (at my underfunded and failing) high school to review the financial aid package for me, since I obviously had no idea which loans were ‘good’ and which were ‘bad’, he said they were all great. For the price of NYU, he said, a few thousand in loans was nothing to pay back. It was a steal even. I didn’t quite believe him, as he has been known to mislead students on everything from college applications to when breaks start, so I asked another trusted teacher, who said the same, with emphasis on that everything was already provided to me.

I, still wary, then asked that he call NYU to confirm what he said was true. Together we called, and they confirmed what he had told me, I was overjoyed. NYU, one of the most expensive universities in the nation, my dream school, and I was going for nearly ‘free’? It all seemed too good to be true, and of course it was.

Now, just seven weeks before move-in day, I went to check my account balance with the school. My mom and I had been depending on the promise of the Pell Grant reimbursement to sustain me until my workstudy could begin. I wanted to make sure that it, as well as the rest of my loans were still there. What I found was that my remaining balance, due the fourth of August, is about 7,000 dollars, a semester’s worth of what was granted to my by the Parent Plus Loan guaranteed to me by my guidance counselor.

The more I looked into it, the more I found that my mom had to apply for the loan–we didn’t just ‘have it’ as I had been told repeatedly, so we applied, and just as expected, my mother was denied.

Now, I am left with a balance of approximately 14,000 for the year (the cost of on campus housing), with no way to pay it back. It was my belief that I had been given the Parent PLUS loan from the school, and as an 18 year old who’s never even been grocery shopping by herself, I had no reason to believe otherwise. My mother, an immigrant, who herself has no experience with this, believed what I believed, and now we have no way to cover the remainder of my tuition.

We have no money in savings, and if we did, it wouldn’t be nearly enough to cover the 14,000. I’m aware that I can probably get a Stafford loan in the amount of $4,000 because my mother was denied, but that still leaves 10,000 that I don’t have. We are going to talk to the financial aid office on Monday (I was told by several trusted adults that there is often money left over at schools that they did not give for scholarships, and that I can request this money for my own use, though this seems implausible to me).

Does anyone know of anyway that I can somehow borrow or gain the remaining 10,000 without an endorser for the Parent PLUS loan? I am desperate for help, especially this late in the year–

Thanks,
Jove

There might be colleges with “left over” money this time of year, but NYU will not be one of them.

You have chosen a college that is notoriously bad for financial aid, and you cannot afford to attend.

Guidance counselors do not guarantee loans as they have nothing to do with the paperwork or issuing of any loans. that just doesn’t make any sense. If your parent didn’t qualify for a Plus loan, the easiest to qualify for then you will not get a loan for anyone else. Anyone you ask to cosign the loan is going to end up having to pay that loan for you until you are in a position to do that and you have no idea when that will be. That is why only fools and parents cosign unaffordable loans.

Parent Plus loans are just a suggestion for how to get extra money you owe the school that is not covered by aid. So NYU shouldn’t have been picked because 14,000 is more than your family can afford–it is not gift money, it is actually a contribution you have to make. 14000 x 4 plus your student loan of 27,000 over 4 years = 83,000 which most people consider too much debt for undergraduate with no resources. You would have to start making loan payments of at least 1,000 6 months after you graduate and that will be for ten years.

Unless NYU decides to give you more aid then you will not be able to go. I’m sorry but after you process this you should consider that you dodged a bullet. Are you a NYC resident? Were you planning dorming or commuting? Where else did you get in? anywhere that covered your need without suggesting a parent plus? It may be possible to ask them to reconsider admissions. Otherwise you will have to look at doing a gap year and working while you reapply to schools. Or look at options for spring admission.

You were misled by a bunch of idiots. Please take the time to email these “educators” and educate them so that they won’t mislead another innocent child. Spell it out to them every area that they were wrong about. They need to hear this. They deserve to hear this. Heck, you can copy/paste your first post here and send it to all of those people.


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Can this person even add? You were borrowing about $20k-25k each year! Certainly your mom wasn’t in any position to pay back $60k in Plus loans, right?

I am so sorry that this has worked out the way it has. You tried to do the “right things” by asking adults.

You’ve been posting on CC about NYU since 2012… Very sad that you hadn’t posted in the FA forums here on CC. The parents here would have caught this. :frowning:

Note to other young folks reading this…please don’t just post in the forums where fellow HS kids are posting.

Heck…it would be helpful if you posted “your story” in the NYU thread as a heads up to others.

You’re likely going to have to take a gap year (don’t take any classes anywhere) and apply to affordable schools.

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I don’t even know how that would have been possible. You got a scholarship that nearly covered tuition. The Pell Grant would have gone towards that remaining $2k, any “fees,” plus room and board.

As mentioned above…you dodged a bullet. If you had gotten that Plus loan, you would have graduated with about $100k in debt.

WHO was going to pay back $100k in debt?

What is your career goal? how much would you have been earning upon graduation?

I’m seeing now that I was horribly mislead by ‘responsible’ and ‘educated’ adults that I trusted to lead me in the right direction financially.

I’m heartbroken, as I’ve had my sights set on NYU for over five years now, and it seems as if I won’t be able to attend without sacrificing my future happiness and stability. I’ve expressed to my mother that I am feeling now that I should take gap year and then reapply to more affordable schools this fall, as painful as that would be, but she persists in telling me that I can’t let this opportunity pass.

She assures me that NYU wouldn’t let me drop out after giving me such a hefty scholarship, because this means they believe I have potential; I know at their core, however, they are a business and if I can’t pay, I can’t go. I don’t want to start the year off there, only to have to drop out later, but my mom says we’ll face that as we go, which I don’t think I am emotionally prepared to do. She has said that she is prepared to sacrifice anything to send me to this school, including our home, but I don’t want to have to do that, especially for a degree in the arts.

I’m now looking into other means of payment, specifically searching for external scholarships, although it is extremely late in the year for this. Having just gotten my roommate this past week, and having already purchased bedding and the lot with money from my own job, I am incredibly distraught, as you can imagine.

Does anyone have any tips on what I should ask during my meeting on Monday?

And thank you all so much for your responses.

I am also not a resident of NYC, and was planning to live on campus. The 14,000 is, for the most part, the cost of housing and various other small fees.

NYU should not put

in the financial aid package.

BTW; OP, did your mom applied the Parent PLUS at https://studentloans.gov/myDirectLoan/whatYouNeed.action?page=plusApp

“She assures me that NYU wouldn’t let me drop out after giving me such a hefty scholarship, because this means they believe I have potential”

Please, please, please ask your mother to read what we are writing here. NYU did not give you a good financial package. If they had, the housing costs would have been covered. A financial aid package that expects a low-income parent to borrow that kind of money is not a good financial aid package.

The people who looked at your aid package and told you that it was a good one were wrong. Whether that is because they didn’t really read through the package, or because they misinterpreted the information, or because they are just plain idiots (as suggested by mom2collegekids), is immaterial. The fact remains that you can’t afford NYU. Don’t wreck your future and your mom’s future by taking on this kind of debt.

Take a gap year and apply to other places. If you were good enough to be admitted at NYU, there will be other options for you that will be more affordable for you.

Wishing you all the best!

My mom said the same thing about putting it in the financial aid package and I concede, it was extremely misleading. My mom actually thought it was a loan directly from NYU.

We did apply through that website as well.

I’m honestly feeling very defeated and let down, once again, by my high school. This is a school that sends only a fraction of its students on the path to post-secondary education, and most of the these colleges in attendance are our local community colleges. I thought that I would be doing better for myself by attending such a prestigious school, but now it seems impossible.

OP, no in-state public schools that you’re interested?

We have one in state university but I’m not at all interested in that. I suppose it might be my only choice now, though. That or community college. My mother is refusing to allow me to take a gap year, and at this point, I fear I may attend NYU only to drop out within a semester, or if I’m lucky, a year.

Your mother can insist all she wants, but you just don’t have the money. You need to realize that only half of each loan is awarded for the fall, so you are going to be unable make it even a semester. This is way too much in loans, and NYC is just not a place where you can be without money in your pocket.

What is your state school? (only one state school? really? no reciprocity with a neighboring state?) Community college is great too.

Be disappointed the NYU didn’t work out, then get over it and make a new plan. There was an op ed last year by a woman who went to NYU, spend all her college money, took out loans, and couldn’t continue after sophomore year. She was angry and in debt, but NYU just said “too bad, we’re not giving you more money.” Don’t take out $30k in loans per year. The best thing that happened to you was that your mother was denied the loans. You and she would have been in bad shape in four years. Really bad shape.

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Sadly, your mom is VERY WRONG.

Schools give out huge awards ALL THE TIME, yet they will “kick your fanny out” if you have unpaid bills. They’re not going to let you live in their dorms for free. They’re not going to provide you a meal plan for free.

Believe me, if schools did what your mom says, then all those students holding large awards would simply not pay another cent! lol

There’s a reason that NYU put that Plus loan in there…they don’t want to pay for the expenses that the Plus loan will cover.


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I can't go. I don't want to start the year off there, only to have to drop out later, but my mom says we'll face that as we go,

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HUGE mistake. You don’t have the money to cover room and board. If you were to move into your dorm, and not pay, you’d not be allowed to register for spring semester AND the school wouldn’t release your records so that you could transfer. You’d be stuck.

The idea of selling your home is just an emotional response. You’re right not to bite on that offer. It would be a huge mistake. It sounds like you have a “paid off” home. That’s what allows your mom to live on $20k per year…no rent/no mortgage.

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Do you have a meeting at NYU to talk to the FA office? If so, bring your mom. She needs to see how they will be quite tough about not just letting you go w/o paying.


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True…that’s why you have such a big unpaid bill now.

If you don’t pay it by a certain date, the school may drop you out of your classes. They won’t just say, “well, the tuition part is covered, but the R&B isn’t.” If you have an unpaid balance, they will get tough.


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We have one in state university but I'm not at all interested in that. I suppose it might be my only choice now, though. That or community college. My mother is refusing to allow me to take a gap year, and at this point, I fear I may attend NYU only to drop out within a semester, or if I'm lucky, a year.

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???

How can your mom prevent you from taking a gap year? She can’t “force” you to go to college. She’s not going to kick you out. She’s blowing smoke. She’s not paying for your education, so really she has little to say about it.

You will NOT be lucky to go for a year. You don’t have the means to pay that $8k owed (and that doesn’t cover books). You will not be allowed to register for spring semester until that’s paid…and you can’t use spring loans for that.

I can help you work through a few of these questions and issues. You and your mother should not come to any hasty decisions for the moment. Gathering all the facts and looking at each option is very important so you don’t make more errors and so you can do the thing that is best for you for a 4 or 5 year plan, not a one year plan or a shortsighted “now” plan.

First can you please print the aid package and COA they gave you in your award letter. I doubt you are going to be able to squeeze enough out of them but at least we can see what you are dealing with in black and white.

Well, your counselor wasn’t wrong that your package was a “steal” for NYU only because NYU is famous for poor financial aid. Suggesting that it was a “steal” for your particular situation was totally off-base. It sounds like 14K is not much less than what your family lives on for a year. Even if your mom qualified for the plus loan, how could she ever have paid it back? How could you have helped her if you are racked up in student loans yourself? If she sells the house, what will she have for her old age?

I’m sure your mother feels terrible and her saying you can’t take a gap year probably has more to do with her own guilt than the reality of the situation. It actually isn’t better to attend for 1 year than not at all. It’s not always easy to transfer classes from one university to another. Arts classes in particular don’t transfer well. Leaving with unusable units and debt will hurt. It would be much better to start at the community college or to take a gap year applying to the local state school or some “meets full needs” schools. Since you applied to NYU ED, I assume you didn’t get to really see what the financial options were.

The positives are that if you got into NYU Tisch with merit then I assume you are a great student with a lot of talent! There will be other schools that will want you and could possibly help you more. What field in the arts are you looking at?

I know you have your meeting on Monday and I’ll cross my fingers for you. If it doesn’t work out, give yourself some time to grieve but know that it’s not going to end you.

NYU Tisch School of the Arts? OP, are you planning to major in Acting, Performance, Musical Theatre Writing, Film and Television, Photography, Dramatic Writing, Interactive Telecommunications, Cinema Studies?

dramatic writing is her major.

Even if the mom had been approved, borrowing 100k wouldn’t have been wise anyway.

Please don’t stop posting. I think you should get all the info you can, even if it is a little harsh to hear. Students come here every year with similar situations and 8 times out of 10 it seems to involve NYU.

Enrolling and dropping out of NYU will disqualify you from great aid packages at other schools. Transfers don’t the best aid or any aid in some cases. NYU gave you a tuition only package.