Parental advice needed on UK IB diploma program versus US AP Capstone diploma program

He got it through his grandmother about 4 years ago. His mother was born in the United States

bummer- then you are right, she’s not eligible except by naturalization or marriage. Sorry…

          I have never heard of living working and going to school in the UK phrased as "exercising treaty rights". I have 3 citizenships including Irish and UK, it is such an odd turn of phrase. Why would anyone use it? 

So your DD has no citizenship other than US? I assumed she has UK, so that is incorrect?

@farmgirl1961, the schools definitely needed to see the high school transcript but were not concerned about seeing the GPA calculation since, without a common bench mark, GPA comparisons across schools are pretty meaningless. These colleges see enough transcripts from around the world that they know how to draw basic conclusions on course rigour, and student readiness for the level of work required at a competitive institution. I see IB as a definite plus. Happy to answer or help on any specific issues if you PM me

Funny - we are also ex-Oregon! We have rented out our home there but honestly, Oregon state schools were not good enough to be of interest in the whole in-state question.

Schools in the US need to see grades from 9-12. They do not need to see a traditional “GPA” as they are quite conversant with grades from IB and most other international boards. You might want to ask to see a copy of the transcript your high school prepares - just to have an idea of how it will look.

My only concern about the IB - is make sure your daughter knows what she is getting into. It is hard, and a lot of work, and stressful. Great for some kids…not so great for other kids.

Honestly, the only challenge in applying from abroad for us has been filiing out the financial aid paperwork - just a bigger pain in the butt.

Husband has Irish. We came over on EEA Family permits and in December applied for residency cards. Husband is exercising treaty rights.

…please stop saying ‘treaty rights’- it really isn’t a thing in the EU/UK/Ireland. Your husband is an EU national- everybody over this way knows that means the family has the right to residency anywhere in the EU :slight_smile:

okay,and sorry - but that’s how it was explained to me. That in order for us to reside, that the QP had to be exercising their treaty rights.

EEA nationals are entitled to reside in the UK for an initial period of three months without needing to exercise a Treaty right. An EEA national who will be in the UK for more than three months will have a right of residence for as long as they remain a qualified person. A ‘qualified person’ is an EEA national who is in the UK as a:
• worker (including those who have retained their status as a worker due to
temporary incapacity, involuntary unemployment or vocational training)
• self-employed person (including those who have retained their status as a selfemployed
person due to temporary incapacity)
• self-sufficient person
• student, or
• jobseeker
This is sometimes known as ‘exercising Treaty rights’.

emphasis on the ‘sometimes’ - and pretty much only down at Immigration- it’s the difference between bureaucratic speak and normal people speak :slight_smile:

EEA is just EU + Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway (like BFFs, but not family…). Technically your husband is both an EU and an EEA national, and EU nationals typically just say EU.

Having moved between quite a few countries - both ones where we have right of residence, and ones where we needed residence visas- I know all too well just how much bureaucracy is involved, and by all accounts the UK system is going through a rough patch right now. You have my sympathies!

Third ex-Oregon here (though many, many years and countries ago). Are you using the Bona Fide Residence Test? How are you maintaining residence there? I never understand this as I’m a long-term expat. Dd has friends at school who seem to be maintaining residence though they’ve been over here for years. I always thought one had to have a certain number of days per year of physical presence.

Anyway, as others have said, IB is recognized everywhere. There are literally thousands of US citizen kids at IB schools abroad – though it’s true that if the kid attends an “American School” then there will be a GPA. The FAFSA is for all US citizens regardless of where they reside. I suppose schools have a formula to recalculate IB grades into a GPA in order to award automatic scholarships. In any case, your dd will need to have SAT scores, right?

I suppose the choice of whether to return to Oregon for HS rests on what sort of school she’s at now. Is it OFSTED rated? If she’s at an outstanding school with good numbers going into Oxbridge then I might stay.

For Reed your residence status is moot as it’s a private school. You don’t seem to be considering any public schools, so residence status isn’t going to help. I suppose you’d have to check with a public school whether they’d consider her a resident. I’m fairly certain it’s up to the individual school who they accept as in-state and who not. I could be wrong on that.

For Cambridge (or other UK schools) there is an Excel file available from studentaid.gov that lists all the international schools eligible for federal aid (for full degree, not just year or semester abroad); Cambridge is definitely one of them (you’d list the college you’ve been accepted at). You might find that a 3-year degree at a UK school is less expensive than a 4-year in the US. But your dd’s got to have a specific interest/field to study; if she (you) wants a broader education she might choose the US. Since she won’t be a home student, another consideration is an Irish school. Trinity’s quite good. UCD is popular with Americans. Then there are the liberal arts schools in The Netherlands, like UC Roosevelt and other university colleges. Those are quite a good deal, I think – though my dd is (also) EU, so I’m not entirely up on international fees.

Anyway, good luck! The FAFSA process can indeed be a pain in the butt as CValle mentioned. Our situation is complicated and some of the schools we’re dealing with have never encountered our particular situation. The other day I had to tell an FA officer, “Well, such-and-such school sent us a form that said such-and-such, which we could just sign and send back” and the FA officer said, “Oh okay, just type up what you just told me, sign and send it in!” :slight_smile:

OFSTED rating is good (from 2013). I believe that OFSTED inspectors came to the school about a month ago, so I imagine a new report will be forthcoming. There is a small contingent of students who go to Oxbridge schools and the school has a program set up to help those students who want to head in that direction.

Our daughter has already taken SAT and ACT tests; she plans to retake the SATs this May in Cambridge as she is striving for an even higher score than she achieved.

Thank you for the feedback on the Excel file and the other schools to consider. FAFSA for us is going to be a bit tricky in that this past August I retired from my job. I now get a partial pension which is about 1/3 of my wage. However this won’t be fully reflected in my income tax filings until the 2019 filing.

Does D have a clear unshakeable interest in a subject?

Some (English-language) programs on continental Europe are cheap (from an American perspective) even for non-EU and a few have stellar reputations in certain fields but they tend to be as or even more rigid in their curriculum than English unis (and English unis restrict you to the subject(s) you signed up to read). Though the Dutch university colleges give a (very) broad liberal arts education (my understanding is that their majors tend to be like “science” or “humanities” and almost everyone goes on to get a master’s).

She is passionate about the history of art and architecture – she is a humanities based person. But, having said that, she excels in maths and science. She has said outright she is not interested in engineering or STE(A)M. She is fascinated with the world of art preservation/conservation. We are pushing on her to think a bit more broadly at the undergraduate level (i.e., consider major/minor) which would then lend itself more to unis outside of the UK (except I think that Scotland may have a more broad based approach). She is aware that she will at minimum need to go on for a master’s degree.

On the spectrum of “confined” vs. “broad”, it generally goes
Continental Europe (excluding the Dutch university colleges) - English uni - Scottish uni - Canadian uni - American college/uni - Dutch university colleges.

Scottish unis are more broad only compared to English and other European unis. To an American, spending 3 out of 4 years on a single subject is a lot (as you probably know, typically, American undergrads spend roughly 1/3rd of 4 years on a major and rarely more than half other than specialized majors like engineering or design).

Any thought on career paths?

My daughter is very interested in the history of art and architecture…she would describe herself as humanities based. Having said that, she does like science and math (just not to major in it…unless she can relate it to humanities). We are trying to get her to think a bit more broadly based for her undergraduate degree.

As she is resitting SAT/ACTs, what were those scores?

She isn’t resitting ACTs, only SATs. ACT score was 33; SAT was 1390. She’s aiming for a 1500 on the SATs. She only had a few weeks to prepare (and went through the College Board SAT book on her own) as the exams were on the heels of her four AP exams.

I’d do IB to keep European options open.

MErit in US will be linked to SAT/ACT, not AP or IB scores. In fact, both AP and IB scores are self reported in the application process.

Admission to UK unis will depend on AP or IB scores, however.

Many merit scholarships in the US do require a GPA but I reckon many schools are willing to translate a “foreign” system (like IB) to a GPA.

Yes, and she’ll probably need merit award(s) to help pay the way…