Parents and school tours

Hello from a second year college student.

I went on a transfer tour this summer and literally wanted to vomit at all the overprotective parenting happening on the tour. I just want to know what you think (not parents - literally do not care what parents think about this).

Parents aren’t the ones going to college, it’s the kids that are. But on this tour no kid said a word it was just the parents asking about majors and classes. Children - when you get to school your overprotective parent will not be there to hold your hand while you sit back and relax. Parents - are you paying for school? Sometimes but if so you are doing it because you want to do it. Paying for your kids school does not give you the right to influence their decision.

I just think that parents should not be allowed to tours anymore and that tours and info sessions for parents and students should be 100% seperate. Ya parents should be able to visit and ask questions but to me it seems like when I see this the kid isn’t getting a chance to feel out the enviorment properly. I never did tours with family first time around and I’m not doing them again this time. Parents should never influence their child’s decision…it isn’t theirs to make.

Basically parents are so insanely overprotective and I am expressing my thoughts here. Does anybody else get irritated when parents take over the tours?

Yes.

I agree with a lot of what you said. At schools where me and my parent were split up for tours, I and the other kids felt a lot more comfortable asking questions and I felt tour guides were able to give more candid responses.

But I do disagree that parents shouldn’t get any influence on the decision. Most parents are paying for their child to go to that school. I don’t think they should get to make the final decision in schools when cost is the same, but they shouldn’t be altogether excluded from the decision.

@LCatherineG - While I agree that it might be a good idea for parents and students to have parallel info sessions/tours, I think that there can be value in having parents present to compare notes, make sure all of the concerns/questions are addressed, etc. And, notwithstanding your lack of interest in parents’ opinions on the topic, if parents are paying for their son’s or daughter’s education, they have a right to do so with whatever conditions they deem appropriate, be they economic, geographic, etc.,etc.

OP, what would you like us super-annoying parents to do while you walk around campus? Sit in the car? Twiddle our thumbs? Read boring magazines in the ad office and wait for you for at least an hour? Well, tough patooties. If I am forking out many thousands of dollars for your education, you can darn well be sure I am going to look around and see what MY money is getting my kid. If my kid doesn’t like it, that’s tough too.

And if I ask questions because my kid, or any kids for that matter don’t speak up (which, in my observstion, they most often do not), that is also tough, because frankly, I want to know, again, what my kid is going to get for MY money. And tough patooties too, if you don’t care what we parents think. OTOH, if my kid was paying for it all, I would keep quiet and not worry…Bwahahahaha! That’s a total lie, because my kid is ALWAYS going to be just about my #1 concern in life. I gave my kid life, and I care deeply about how my kid’s life is going to play out. That doesn’t mean that I am trying to control my kid’s life, but funnily enough, an awful lot of 18 year olds don’t really have a handle on living “independently” and being away from home. And again, if you don’t like it, tough patooties.

FYI, when my kid went back to revisit her top choice accepted colleges, she did all those visits on her own, because I didn’t want to influence her final decision. But even if I went with her, tough patooties. I am the parent, and until my child moves out of the home, pays all her own bills, and never needs cash from me again, I am still concerned about her and will be involved in the things I believe are important. I am guessing that most parents of college students feel that where their kid lives for four years is pretty important. Sheesh.

I’m going to echo @Lindagaf with perhaps fewer patooties.

My son is about to start 10th grade, so he’s still a ways from visiting schools, but I have opinions anyway.

First, let me say that I was an independent kid. I grew up outside of Boston and didn’t think twice about visiting colleges by myself by driving, taking the T or taking Amtrak. I’ve spent most of my son’s life trying to get him to be MORE independent, not less. He is adamant that there is no way he is visiting colleges alone. Maybe he’ll feel differently in a couple of years. Maybe not. So yes, I’ll likely be there on the college tours. And I’ll probably ask questions, either because he won’t open his mouth (he struggles with some social anxiety) or because we don’t have the same questions. So @LCatherineG maybe you want to be a tad less sophomoric and remember that sometimes you don’t know the whole story and don’t know everything about why people behave the way they do.

Which is not to say that some parents aren’t helicoptery and overprotective. They definitely are and they shouldn’t be. “We” are not applying to college. The student is applying to college. And I actually like your idea of separate parent and student tours. It frees up both parents and students to ask questions they might not otherwise ask. It frees tour guides to say things to students they might not say to parents.

The fact that my husband and I will be paying for college does matter. My son will be full pay. We will very likely be paying out over a quarter of a million dollars for his education. That is a stunning amount of money. For that kind of money, we get to ask some questions. And even if we weren’t paying a penny, we’d still be entitled to ask questions. Believe it or not, there might be things we want to know that would be relevant to my son’s decision making process that he might not think of.

There’s a difference between deciding for my kid and having some input and influence. I went to college. I have many years more life experience than my son. I actually know some stuff he doesn’t. My son wants to major in CS. He just assumed without thinking much about it that he’d go to the engineering school of an RU. Because of who he is and what he’s like, I happen to think he’d do better overall at a smaller school. So we’ve talked and I’ve persuaded him to look at LAC’s along with RU’s. Am I making the decision? Did I say he can only apply to LAC’s? No. That would be wrong because ultimately this is his decision to make. Do I think I’ve done a good thing by expanding his options? Yes. My son, for various complicated reasons, doesn’t think fit matters and doesn’t really want to visit schools. Because I’ve been to college (and grad school and law school) and therefore have an excellent sense of how much the people and the culture of a school affects a student’s experience in general AND because I know my particular kid and how he has responded to various experiences he’s had, I think fit is important for him and I’ve been pretty insistent about it. So, yes, I’m already influencing his selection process. It’s called parenting.

Your post is completely developmentally appropriate. That is, you’ve painted everything black and white, you’ve been blind to nuance and you’ve not yet learned how complicated life can be. That’s ok. You’ll outgrow it. In the meantime, I’d urge you to remember a few things. Even in this generally helicoptery age, parenting styles vary. There are parents who smother their kids, parents who do a great job balancing influencing their kids and providing independence and parents who need to care more and pay more attention. And kids vary tremendously in their maturity, common sense and urge for independence. So sure. Mentally roll your eyes at some of the ridiculous parents. They’re out there and I’m sure I’ll be doing that when I’m on some tours. But an across the board condemnation of parents who ask questions and who exercise some influence is oversimplifying and uncalled for.

Some schools (Bates, for example ) tour students in one group and parents in another. If you feel strongly about this, why not suggest it to your admissions department.

I think this is smart. Each group has different concerns. The mom who’s concerned about coed bathrooms can ask her question without mortifying her daughter while the daughter can ask about alcohol use on campus without alarming her parents (who believe she’d prefer a substance free dorm.)

I kind of like having my parents on the tour with me. I don’t have to go through the process of relaying the experience to them again and accidentally forgetting some details, and I can get a second opinion from people whose perspectives I value. I WANT my parents involved in my college applications process because they are the people who are paying for my education and will be waiting on the other end of the phone to hear about my first day at college. I do understand your point of view, though.

Circkets from the OP, hmmm. @gardentstategal we didn’t have separate parent groups at Bates, but I love that idea. No problem with that whatsoever. FWIW, I usually ask questions, but I do try to ask non-mortifying ones:-)

Oh yes it does!!!

How quaint. Hopefully you will mature in the future.

I find you to have a highly entitled attitude. If you were my kid, you would be financing your education on your own.

The way I approach it with my D is that we each have veto power, and we have both exercised it. D has vetoed outstanding colleges that are too rural for her even though she has a high chance of admission to some. I have vetoed a few colleges where I feel the administration is spineless in the face of student protests. Despite these vetoes, she still has more than a dozen colleges that she is excited about.

I agree with pretty much everything that you folks have posted on this thread.

But I must say that we have seen some pretty annoying parents on tours. Most annoying is when they hijack and monopolize the tour. Every time we encounter one I say to myself, “boy I hope I’m not like that guy.”

As a transfer student, you have a much better idea of what college is like and a couple years of maturity on the kids on tours. High school kids don’t even know what they don’t know. And tours are a marketing tool. One thing parents have is a lot more experience at spotting and seeing through marketing ploys – gotta ask questions to do that, though. Finally, as many others have said, it is the parents paying the bill most of the time. I bet when you are a parent, you will also want to ask a lot of questions before parting with up to a quarter of a million dollars.

I have also vetoed one college for safety reasons. Whenever we can, I drive around the neighborhood before or after the tour, and I am more attuned to gang markings than my D is.

I can agree with a lot of the sentiment behind the OP. Parents can often dominate a tour, and the student does not really get a chance to talk honestly to other students about questions they might have. But I get the parents perspective, in many cases they are giving a lot of money, and it is their child and they have an understandable investment in the process. And many highschoolers are still very sort of socially awkard, and don’t feel comfortable speaking up, or don’t understand what to ask.

I have given a lot of tours, and you speak one way when parents are involved, and you speak more honestly when it is just students. Students normally feel more comfortable asking questions when their parents aren’t around as well.

I find overnight visits to be by far the best way for a student to experience a college. However I know overnights are not always convenient for logistical reasons.