Parents of the HS Class of 2013 - 3.0 to 3.3 GPA

<p>Ha ha, yabe!</p>

<p>My daughter rejected Ursinus for the same reason. My son, however, does not have that luxury!</p>

<p>I wanted to let you all know that we have just returned from a 5 school spring break trip, as I’m sure many of you have done as well. I can report on impressions of Earlham, Juniata, Franklin & Marshall (a reach, I learned), McDaniel and Goucher. We have also recently visited New Paltz, Bard and Usinus. Last spring, we visited Guilford and Warren Wilson while visiting friends in NC.</p>

<p>I was traveling with two juniors, my S and my N (neice). N selects Juniata as her favorite-“just the feeling she got” and my son likes Earlham, as do I. F&M has the best pizza, though. If anyone has any questions, I’m happy to share my thoughts and observations…</p>

<p>Hi everyone! Popping in with a few ideas and I hope some encouragement. My DS is a very smart kid, who had a terrible GPA. I was worried not just about him getting into a college, but about how he would perform when he got there. He is now in his freshman year and I’m happy to report that he is getting As! The secret for him - he is in a school where he has very small classes, where teachers hold him accountable to high standards. And he is in a program taking classes only in the subjects that he does well in (math/comp sci.) For him, it really was about finding fit. Most of all though, he is maturing. I think that many of our kids just need more time to find their way and get a handle on school.</p>

<p>I also wanted to add a few suggestions for schools - one at least that has been mentioned before.
Alfred U. My B student niece is there and studying engineering. It hasn’t been easy, but she is determined and she’ll make a great engineer. She received a merit scholarship to attend (I think about 8-10K 3 years ago.) Because AU is a land-grant school, with the merit and cheaper tuition it made it much more affordable than many options. She had a hard time with some of the math/science courses and her gpa dropped, but the school allowed her to take the courses again, and averaged her grade. They restored her scholarship when she brought her gpa back up, and they’ve been very supportive. The food is apparently awful, the athletic facilities aren’t the best I’ve seen, and it’s isolated and cold. But she loves it, and she has some really great friends from varied backgrounds and interests.</p>

<p>Monmouth U - gorgeous campus, very good facilities, strong math and business programs.</p>

<p>Susquehanna - another beautiful campus with some really nice students. We’ve been there several times for different programs and I’ve been very impressed.</p>

<p>Hi, I just read some of the recent posts here. My younger son is currently finishing his sophomore year at a small university. He was a B+ hs student. One of my biggest worries was KEEPING any merit award offered. I looked for some colleges that had a lower threshold to keep merit aid than a 3.0. If money is important, this might be something to check into before applying.</p>

<p>Kathiep’s post is important too. 12-15k might sound like a lot of money, but when a school has a total cost of over 50,000 per year, this is not a lot of money especially if one is not going to get much additional FA.</p>

<p>HeavyLidded–her SAT score will get her into probably 90% of the schools across the nation. I’m not sure what schools you have looked into but try doing a search on schools that cost under what you could afford to pay and see what comes up. Keep in mind she will, hopefully, have a summer job and can earn a couple thousand at that and about $5000 in loans each year. I think in her case it might be good if she has some financial responsibly for college as that often adds an extra motivation factor. You can always help with the loans once she graduates. Check your in-state schools first, are they a reasonable cost?</p>

<p>Just to put her score in perspective-she scored higher than 90.8% of the students nationwide on the SAT <a href=“http://www.satscores.us/sat_scores_by_score.asp?score=1950[/url]”>http://www.satscores.us/sat_scores_by_score.asp?score=1950&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Or better yet, her score puts her in the top 9% nationally.</p>

<p>HeavyLidded et al,</p>

<p>Guilford is beautiful! It is A CTCL school just outside of Greensboro. Although is sourthern, because it’s Quaker, there is no Greek life at all. The student body seemed friendly, pretty diverse, and somewhat artsy- at least our tour guides were. The school is about education people, and they have an early college as well as and adult-ed program, so many students on campus are older. The info session was friendly, welcoming and informative, and the tours were personal and informative as well. My son and I were separated, which I think is a great thing for schools to do. Although its the first school my son saw, besides his sister’s college, it remains his favorite.</p>

<p>If you have more specific questions, let me know!</p>

<p>Heavylidded, there is also a surprising amount of merit aid available at these schools (granted, contingent on future grades), especially at those which are not reaches.</p>

<p>P’2012 here. Same statistics as your kids. I’ve already posted my S’s stats somewhere, so won’t do that again. Just here to give you guys moral support.
I want to assure you all that merit aid is out there for 3.0-3.3 kids, with decent ACT’s/SAT’s. Decent, meaning 26 -29 or more. That’s just my personal experience. Choose the schools well. Do lots of research on the 3.0-3.3/2012 kids thread. Everyone seems to have overcome what we may have thought were tremendous odds in the beginning.
As a matter of fact there seems to be more acceptances than rejections!
TONS of good advice is floating around here, and now is a good time for all of you.
Good luck and next year this time, you’ll be posting on the 2014 thread with your own sage advice! :-)</p>

<p>^Hi Yabe! :)</p>

<p>I have a question for all you folks on this thread:</p>

<p>Is the GPA weighted or unweighted? My S2 may fall into this category. He is currently a h.s. soph with a 3.1 unweighted, 3.6 weighted. Would he belong to this thread? H.S. graduation 2014. Thanks for directing me to the right place.</p>

<p>Visit Comments from Spring Break visits for DS</p>

<p>GPA 3.4
Taking SAT next week
ACT 25
Interested in Music Business/Music Industry</p>

<p>List of colleges </p>

<p>Belmont
Middle Tennessee State U
U of Evansville
U of the Pacific
U of Puget Sound
Cal State Northridge
Murray State U (probably off list now)
Loyola Marymount U (recently added)
U of Redlands (recently added)
U Colorado Denver</p>

<p>Belmont: Beautiful weather in Nashville-- we went from snow in Spokane WA to 80 degrees in Nashville. Plane was on time, so we were in a good mood arriving in Nashville. We walked around the Music Row area and then down to Belmont so he could see the area. He loved it-- lots of studios, both large and small companies. We walked around campus and saw lots of students outside in the sun and heard lots of musicians practicing. Next day he had admission session, tour, info session with music dpt, info session with music business school all arranged by admissions. Impressed with everyone-- good presentations, lots of information given out. I attended all of this since they were all group sessions. Large numbers attending each of the sessions. He also then met with one of the guitar teachers-- he had arranged this meeting on his own. He asked for a brief meeting (I was thinking 15 minutes) and he went to this on his own. I waited in a coffee shop. 90 minutes later he came back-- the guitar teacher had spent over an hour talking to him about all the options, which might work best for DS, answered all his questions-- I was impressed. He went way beyond what we expected. Next morning he attended a class. Overall impression-- loved the programs, the people, the area. Would be a perfect fit
Only concern-- school is expanding faster than they can handle-- overcrowding in the dorms (doubles made into triples) and overcrowding in some of the classes</p>

<p>Middle Tennessee State-- Still beautiful weather. Arrived on campus around noon before 1:00 class. Parking was a nightmare-- After getting visitor pass and looking for parking spot for 45 minutes I finally told DS to get out of the car and find the class he was sitting in on. 20 minutes later I finally found a spot when someone left. The rest of the visit went much better. I met DS after the class–class size much smaller than he expected. Then met with the Recording Industry Dept (I think that’s the right name) Two undergrad students showed us the facilities-- we were in a group with 3 other visiting students and parents. They did a great job-- the facilities were very impressive-- lots of studios where it looked like undergrad students could get lots of hands on experience. Students knew about all the majors offered, gave their insights about their experiences, talked about options-- overall we were very impressed with the program and facilities. The students spent over an hour with us and DS learned a lot about the majors offered. The next morning we did the campus tour and admission session. Campus tour was ok-- huge group (I think 30) so hard to hear tour guide. Admission session was not helpful-- lasted about 5 minutes and they basically asked who had questions. But overall DS had a posivie experience. He had 2 concerns-- first is if he wants a large university (I think 26000 students total) . Once he was in his major classes it would be fine, but might be overwhelming freshman year. Second concern-- you aren’t admitted to the program until you have completed 3 semesters-- so may be a risk as to whether you could get the major you want.</p>

<p>Evansville-- Arrived in the afternoon and met my friend from grad school who we were staying with. He works at the University so that was nice-- he had arranged for DS to meet with a faculty member in the business program, who DS really liked. He also met with the guitar teacher that afternoon, They only offer classical guitar (not what DS is interested in) but he liked the teacher. The next day he had admission meeting, campus tour, a class and a meeting with the percussion teacher. Admission meeting and tour were good-- the tour only had 3 students in our group so we could talk to the tour guide more about his experience. After sitting in on the class the teacher spent about 20 minutes talking to DS-- not originally scheduled so very nice for the teacher to take the time. They talked about the Music Business program structure-- it seems like 2 minors put together, in that about 1/3 of your classes are gen ed, 1/3 are music classes, 1/3 are business classes. The percussion teacher was helpful too-- an audition is required so he found out more about that. Overall he really liked the school-- seemed like a good size, liked the students and atmosphere, he felt like it was a good fit. Only concern-- the major is not exactly what he was looking for-- more of a classical music program combined with business classes. But he liked the school enough that it is still definitely on the list. Also liked the fact that he could switch to Business degree if he wanted</p>

<p>Murray State-- we didn’t end up going since the admissions office was closed the week we were visiting-- it was not their spring break, but for some reason they weren’t schduling tours or sessions at all so we skipped it</p>

<p>This is very long-- but looks like DS will apply to Belmont, Middle Tennessee and Evansville so trip was successful. ALso decided he wants to go where weather is good-- tired of rain and snow here</p>

<p>He still wants to visit a few more-- scheduled to visit Puget Sound this month since that is closer for us. Then will maybe visit Pacific and Denver in the fall, plus whatever else he decides</p>

<p>Sorry-- one note</p>

<p>Overall DS gpa is a 3.4 (I realize this is an under 3.3 thread) but am posting here since by the end of the semester DS could be a 3.3, and also his academic gpa (not including band, pe, health, etc) is 3.3</p>

<p>I don’t think we’re too picky about GPA here :slight_smile: Like I said elsewhere, in the end, the individual profiles of our children will probably vary a great deal. I just think this is a nice space for the parents of kids who are looking at schools for the more typical student and schools that really do look past the numbers.</p>

<p>I know 2 freshmen at Belmont and they LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the school. One is a musical production major or something like that (mixing music in recording studios or some such thing??). The other is a double major in piano and not sure what (business I think). Piano because she is an amazing piano player and business so she can get a job and not live her her parent’s basement the rest of her life :D.</p>

<p>Idahomom, Great visit reports! You should just copy and paste them and post them here [CampusVibe</a> - Recent College Videos, Photos, and Visit Reports](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/vibe/]CampusVibe”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/vibe/) for all to see. There’s only one other visit report done on Belmont.</p>

<p>I’m so interested in reading about Belmont. I’ve tried to interest my D, but she has some preconceived negative reaction to Nashville. I’ll share your report with her!</p>

<p>I ran through their net price calculator and got the impression they do not give much aid to students that are not at the top of the applicant pool. Did you get any impression on FA packages?</p>

<p>Hi HeavyLidded! I see it’s finally time for your trip. Seems like it was only yesterday we were discussing your plans. My DS has decided on his school. (Hiram!) and we are SO happy. Keep in touch, and let me know how your trip works out. I hope you have a fun time. :)</p>

<p>Hi all, like everyone I am so glad and relieved to have found this site and thread! I hope I can contribute a portion of what I gain here.</p>

<p>My D16 is a junior with a 3.1. She’s in the middle of her class of almost 400. She took the ACT as a sophomore and got a 23, with math being low teens and reading being high 20s. She does dual enrollment but only has 2 AP classes despite her school offering about 12. She’ll only take 1 AP exam, in US History. She has 4 honors classes between sophomore and junior year. Nothing extraordinary at all, especially at her school. Her only Cs came the second semester of freshman year when she was ill and eventually diagnosed with systemic lupus that April. She has a few ECs - beta club, book club pres, diversity club historian, environmental club photographer, some other club I can’t remember right now but they go and tutor elementary kids. Had to quit recreational soccer with illness. She had a job 9th/10th summer and will again this summer, and interns at a health clinic during the year which she started last summer as a PA shadow. She wants to be a pharmacist.</p>

<p>It seems OK as I write it out, but I’m so worried. We’re in GA and she will not consider any in state schools. We’re dependent on close to a full ride for her. I don’t know if these are “hooks”, but she’s of Hispanic descent (father is Puerto Rican) and is black, and would be the first to graduate college, but I did attend for two years. </p>

<p>She fell in love with URI and Brown, and I feel terrible now for spending the past six months convincing her they were possibilities. I’m dizzy with how much there is to figure out over the next few months.</p>

<p>Sorry so long.</p>

<p>Welcome cbreeze, I’m no expert (except at having a D who’s GPA falls short), but these are my thoughts. I don’t think it’s the end of the world. Her EC’s aren’t bad, better than my D.</p>

<p>How effective is your guidance counselor (with a class of 400, I think not much)? Does D have a sense of the setting she’d like–urban or rural? School size? Climate? This can narrow it down. Have her do the SAT’s (prep over the summer for the October date because I think you don’t have enough time for June–unless it’s intensive). It sounds like the ACT is not a good fit and with those AP classes, she can probably pull off a good essay on the SAT. Have her do a practice test to see if it comes in stronger. The pharmacy angle gives you something to go on in terms of narrowing things down. </p>

<p>URI actually sounds like a very good fit judging by their profile in Princeton Review, but Brown is out of the question. Let’s face it, Brown is out of the question for nearly everyone and is no one’s “safety” Even with her URM status, she’d need a 4.0+ and loads of EC’s. But don’t underestimate that URM hook for lots of other schools across the country. I assume you have some fat books to pull schools from (when I use Princeton Review I don’t even bother with schools with a better than 90 selectivity score). If your school belongs to Naviance it will suggest schools for you. There’s even a search function on this site that does a rough version of compatibility. </p>

<p>Good luck, we’re all in the same boat and I actually think it’s better to have my D carving out a niche in the lower middle, while all her peers are jockeying for the same seat at the top 20. Check out the 3.0 2012 thread for success stories.</p>

<p>I believe nyermom is right on all fronts. </p>

<p>I add that if your daughter is serious about becoming a pharmacist (a fine choice), you and she should be looking at schools with pharmacy programs (I do not know if URI has one, but doubt very much that Brown does). Elsewhere on CC, there is probably a forum for future pharmacists, or you can start a thread.</p>

<p>Obviously, if sh changes her mind about being a pharmacist, being at a school which offers many other options will prove wise.</p>

<p>Rutgers and Philadelphia’s University of the Sciences are excellent pharmacy schools and I am sure there many other programs, in Florida and elsewhere. you and your daughter might start by talking to pharmacists at local drug stores.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>I think kids like Chocchip’s (3.1 UW, 3.6W) fit in this thread (especially for schools where they have a very good chance of merit aid) and will also have chances at some more selective schools (for example, Franklin & Marshall, Syracuse, various state flagships).</p>

<p>The same applies for kids whose GPAs are 3.0-3.3 weighted, but whose board scores are proportionally higher.</p>

<p>Of course, many parents find that, after pushing their child to choose the most selective school that accepts them, that “fit” is more important than selectivity ranking or that their child would rather be an honors student in a less selective school.</p>

<p>Hi CBreeze! Have you checked out Temple in Philadelphia? I know several kids who have gone there and been very happy - one was in the pharmacy program (I think you have to apply later?)</p>