Parents of the HS Class of 2013

<p>I really believe they should do what they love and are passionate about and the rest will follow. If they burn themselves out doing things they don’t love or just doing way too much in the hopes of landing at a particular place and end up not pleased with their admissions results, what’s the point? My D2 is not going to be leaping off the page to adcoms but at the same time I know she will have been happy, challenged, and comfortable throughout her HS career and for her personality and my sanity, that is the best plan of attack :)</p>

<p>It really depends on the kid in question, follow their lead, not recommendations or suggestions from everyone else. The difference between the kids who naturally rise to the top of the admissions piles at the reachy schools are the ones for who everything they did and do seem natural and second nature. For the kids who have been working non-stop but don’t seem as engaged it’s just not the same, it doesn’t inspire that same “oh we want them to come here” - yes they have an admiral work ethic and will go very far on their own but it isn’t the same. I don’t know that I am explaining what I am trying to say very well but I hope so :)</p>

<p>Shilly: I know exactly what you mean. D2 has a friend who is passionate about special needs children & orphans, as is the rest of her immediate family; so much of what she does outside of school is driven by that. She is also an amazingly gifted artist. Other students are interested in “helping” or have musical pursuits, but when I see this girl in action in both arenas I think “ahh, yes. This is the kind of student they dream about at top schools.”</p>

<p>I am populating the “college spreadsheet” for my daughter, and thought I would come back here for some venting. My eyes are going to pop out and I am only about halfway done. She has 22 schools on the spreadsheet. </p>

<p>DD is looking at schools with Neuroscience majors. I have added the number of people completing Bachelor’s degrees in Neuroscience annually to the spreadsheet. The next level of research has to be done by her, but I think this is a good start.</p>

<p>She is going to the big college fair on Columbus Day, so we will see if she adds to the 22 or narrows it down. Thanks for the advice here.</p>

<p>Morning all!</p>

<p>BerneseMtn: Our s/s was populated over months so I understand why it’s making your eyes pop out! It will make your life much easier going forward though :)</p>

<p>I thought I’d share one of those tips I picked up from D1s journey that made life a little easier: when you’re going to a college fair make up address labels with the students name, address, phone#, email address, name of HS, expected year of graduation, intended major(s) and any EC’s they want to continue in college. Then once they get to the college fair, they can just pop them off the sheet and onto whatever postcard the schools that catch their eyes have. Much easier at the college fair and the college reps can actually read what’s on there. Our big college fair is tonight…</p>

<p>S2 blew off going to the Performing Arts college fair on Monday. So I told him that he needs to go online and request brochures from any college he’s interested in. He’s not particularly motivated, but he did check out the Oberlin website already, so maybe he’ll surprise me. </p>

<p>Had to go buy S2 a new suit - he’s got 3 homecoming dances coming up. I always call him the “util-a-date”. Any girl in a 3 county radius knows that he will be a fun date - he’s very handsome, knows how to dance, and he’s gay (so no funny business). Keeps him busy during homecoming and prom season!</p>

<p>RobD: LOVE your tip. I am pretty sure I will be using it for our College Fair in Oct. Thank you :)</p>

<p>Megpmom: You are killing me right now…haha!! Now if you were only a few states over…D Cheerleader needs a date for HC ;)</p>

<p>I would gladly buy ds a new suit if he’d ask some girl to a school dance. Anyone watch Parenthood? The grandpa was giving 16/17yo Drew advice on how to ask out a girl. I swear we’d had almost the exact same conversation the night before at the dinner table. Ds2 and I laughed!</p>

<p>My H can’t get over the “production” it has become just in the asking! You can’t get by with just calling up someone and asking them to HC anymore.<br>
Flowers are a given.<br>
Signs/Posters or items left in a locker are pretty par for the course.<br>
Over the loud speaker at Lunch or during a Rally or Football game, etc.
I told S it will help prepare him for when he proposes one day…</p>

<p>^^^ I find that so distasteful. Like it’s not hard enough for a 15 or 16 yo to risk rejection in the first place, now he (or she) has the pressure to make a huge production out of it in front of hordes of people.</p>

<p>BTW, I’ve only heard about that at prom. Y’all do it at Homecoming, too???</p>

<p>Asking is definitely a production. For S2 he had a lot of friends that were girls who would plan the elaborate asking, even to the point of buying the flowers etc… Some creative ones include the teacher handing out a test with one of the questions being “girl X will you go with boy Y to Homecoming?”, a bear in a tux from build-a-bear that says “will you go to Homecoming?” when you press it’s paw, etc… Luckily generally someone has scouted it out so they already know the girl is going to say yes. S3 is also a very fun date and has been to quite a few dances at other schools. </p>

<p>RobD: I love you tip! Very smart!!</p>

<p>My kids school is very small - no production for HC or prom. </p>

<p>megp - He does sound like the perfect date!</p>

<p>I am so frustrated with my son right now. He hasn’t turned in any AP Language homework and is failing the class! He swears he is doing it. I don’t know if I believe him, however the new homework system has had many bumps. The biggest problem is that he can’t drop the class - English is required and moving down to the lower English is not an option. The other English course has a new teacher and everyone has complained how difficult it is with an assignment nightly. More homework is not what we need.</p>

<p>Son’s ADD is not being controlled AT ALL. Can’t find a doctor who can see him at a cost we can afford. I’m just beyond frustrated. --vent done–</p>

<p>YDS: At the kids school, it’s is an unspoken rule that you don’t say no. If you do, you can pretty much count on never being asked again…to anything. HC and Prom the boys ask. Winter Formal it’s the girls turn. Have never heard of a flat out rejection.</p>

<p>TX5: Yes, scouting is key to this. First to find out if anyone has asked, then to feel around to see what the answer would be. The girls LOVE “helping” a boy who is asking one of their friends.</p>

<p>S asked a soccer player. He put mini-soccer balls in her locker along with flowers and a sign in the shape of a soccer ball that said, “Do you want to kick it with me at HC”.</p>

<p>MD, that sounds cute!</p>

<p>Homecoming at our school is very low key. Most students do not even do dates. Last year it was a pile of boys and girls going together. This year, the same. When I asked D about dates she told me I was old fashioned. No one went as dates if they wanted to have fun. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Here dates are reserved for proms. D was asked by a couple seniors to the prom last year and said no thank you. She didnt like them enough to dance with them so felt it would be unfair to say yes. </p>

<p>I find the regional differences fascinating. </p>

<p>Here most HS students do not have BF/GF. D did as a freshman and felt it was holding her back from doing her thing. None of her friends (all v cute and popular girls and boys) except for one has a steady. She told me that no one really does that anymore. Is that how it is in your area?</p>

<p>We live in the South, things are pretty traditional here but slowly changing. Dates are desired for Homecoming and Prom, but not necessary. Last year I described Texas Homecoming Mums - which are an institution - a fabulous, crazy institution. If you’ve never seen a Texas homecoming mum, just try Google images! </p>

<p>As far as dating goes, I think it is much more laid back than when I was growing up in TX. D1 had a boyfriend for 3 yrs in HS (same one), but many of her friends never dated. S2’s crowd is mostly unattached - they just run in a pack. And apparently, dating has totally died out in colleges - D1 reports that people just “hook up” but no one really goes out on dates, etc.</p>

<p>megpmom, my d and your son would be bff’s in no time! She’s a theater kid but all her guy friends are gay (and my brother is a gay actor), and they are always her dates for homecoming and prom! She always tells me she is going to live with her gay guy friends when she moves out, because they are compassionate and great listeners! </p>

<p>Did everyone hear about the SAT scandal in NY? It depresses me that kids have to resort to this, because of all the pressure of high school and getting into good colleges. One of the teachers they interviewed said “well, we are not making excuses, but it filters down - the better the college, the better your chances of getting into a great grad school and then the better your chances of getting a high paying job.” </p>

<p>My d is struggling so much in public school - she hates every minute of it, and she is not doing well - totally different style of teaching, and too many rules (she feels like she’s in prison and regressing). It’s like they’ve taken all responsibility off the students. She was so mature and independent, and she had everything organized, now she’s in a blur - she said it feels so surreal, and she doesn’t believe she has to go there everyday. She can’t concentrate at all with all the “eating” going on in classes. She hates hearing people chew, so that really makes her crazy. And where does it occur most? Math! Her worst subject. They also “assign” seats! So she is in the last row last seat when she needs to be up front so she can focus and “listen” to the teacher not the kid chomping on the chips. She wants to go back to her old school and graduate with them next year and go to prom…She said now my chances of going to prom are nil (unless one of the boys from her old “brother school” asks). In this public school, you can’t go to prom unless you have a date, and it can’t be someone from the outside (pretty sick if you ask me). </p>

<p>They don’t have any clubs she is interested in, and the college counselor insists she has to join something to fill her “resume”. I said have you not checked her resume? It’s full of things outside of school and unfortunately, there is nothing here that coincides with what she likes. She will continue with the outside stuff, as I have a feeling we won’t be back next year (if it were up to her, she’d quit tomorrow).</p>

<p>Her passion for music has been taken away, as they don’t have a music program at her school except band and chamber singers. Theater is a joke…I won’t even go there. She did go to the first dance of the year at her old school and stayed over with her friends. It helps that she can see them on the weekends. The therapist encourages her to do so, so she doesn’t feel like everything has been taken away. She’s suffered a lot of loss this year (and her father has not seen her since May when he left; he texted her 2 or 3 times, so she feels she’s being punished by him because of the divorce). It’s so hard. She is also going to homecoming at her old school (it’s the same night as the psat’s oct 15th), and she went down to see her English teacher (who was head of the English dept with degrees from Middlebury and Harvard), because she has a 25 yr old teacher who doesn’t like her style of analytical writing. He reviewed her work and praised it, and he said sometimes the new teachers right out of school think they are “Proust” but they’re not. Her therapist also reviewed her writing and agreed (he went to Kenyon and is an avid writer). So what can we do? She went from A’s in English, John Hopkins Center for Talented Youth’s gifted Language Arts program, and an 80 (cr) and 73 (cw) on the psat’s last year to a C minus in English. She stayed up till 2-3am over labor day weekend and all night the sunday before labor day to complete both apush and ap english lang summer hw having received it only 2 days before school started (Hurricane Irene gave her labor day weekend to finish it all). She’s being thwarted at every turn. She was going to take physics in sr year and ap bio or apes in jr year at her old school. Here the college counselor said you can’t take an ap course then a regular course in sr yr it will look bad (not for what she wants to study in college; and kids do it all the time). So what does the physics teacher tell the kids? If you haven’t taken pre-calc, you shouldn’t be in this class! And her chance to go and work the first winter youth olympic games? she was asked back again, and her old school approved her missing 9 days of school in january, since she could communicate and do hw from overseas with her laptop. Not here. They said it’s not allowed. So I think now her target schools will now become reach schools since her grades are awful…French V honors at least she has an A in as well as Entrepreneurship an A+ - she has 4 great ideas and she is doing a business plan for them (so that’s a course she would never have the oppty to take in private school).</p>

<p>Here’s the link on the scandal (not sure we are allowed to post links)…
Cheating on the SATs: <a href=“After Arrest, a Wider Inquiry on SAT Cheating - The New York Times”>After Arrest, a Wider Inquiry on SAT Cheating - The New York Times;

<p>medavinci, I wonder if your daughter could just leave high school and head to college. From her PSAT scores it sounds like her only weakness might be math. Mary Baldwin sounds like an interesting option for gifted girls. Bard also takes kids who haven’t graduated from high school. She could also just take the GED and enter community college and transfer from there to a university. Maya Frost’s Global Student has some unique ideas for alternatives to traditional high schools. I feel for you. I would be feeling pretty desperate, myself, if I felt one of my kids was as miserable as it sounds like you feel your daughter is.</p>

<p>OK, I know that boys are uncommunicative, but you would think he would have told me that his date for Homecoming tonight (different HS than his) is a nominee for Homecoming Queen! I didn’t know until I saw pictures on his facebook page of her in the parade riding in a convertible. I hope she wins - it will be so exciting for her and she’s such a pretty girl. And this HS has its dance at one of the fancy hotels in town. S2’s school has their homecoming dance in the cafeteria! Good thing I shelled out for the new suit.</p>

<p>Thank you Apollo6 for the suggestions. I do appreciate it. A few friends mentioned the GED comm college option, and we had looked into Bard at Simon’s Rock. Some feedback was that it was bohemian and in a remote location. Here is the issue. She wants to have the whole high school experience but with the friends she grew up with from 4th grade. Who wouldn’t? It’s so hard to meet friends in junior year. It is impossible for her to have that experience, since her father let her down financially (we could have afforded it had he not done some miserable things; hence the divorce), but she is trying to make the best of the situation - albeit, hating every minute of it. She is also redirecting her anger at me, and I know she doesn’t mean to. Her dad doesn’t give a fig about any of this, so that makes it worse. </p>

<p>I know she won’t make friends in this 1400 kid school especially in jr yr, but I have a feeling that at this school there are no groups of friends (well maybe the skateboarders).Everyone seems to just go into the building like lemmings, come out, solo and go on their merry ways. Perhaps clubs would facilitate friendships, but she can’t find anything of interest to her. So she feels like she doesn’t fit in there nor does she fit in at her old school (as she says “it’s all so surreal, I feel like I’m in a Dali painting or Fellini movie”). </p>

<p>She is just plain “lost” at this point, and I am physically not well, so it is just not a good time for either of us. Plus, until we foreclose, I’m stuck with dealing with repairs, etc. and trying to prepare for this divorce (the paperwork is overwhelming), and planning for psats, sats, college visits - it is putting me on edge. When you have your health, I believe you can overcome almost any obstacle, but we’ve been through the mill these past couple of years. I have no family that I can rely either (just a very ill brother in NY who has his own family issues), and my close friends live very far away. </p>

<p>I think there comes a time in life when we all experience something that brings us back to our childhood, and this is it for me. My father also left us when we were young, and he took no responsibility for supporting or seeing us (and he was an attorney!). So my own college dreams were railroaded. I don’t want that to happen to my d and have her wind up in the same situation I’m in (I have to stop projecting). She has suddenly made a decision to change the laws about some things that are personal to us, and I’m at crossroads about whether or not I want her to go forward. I’ll run it by the therapist, and maybe “ask the dean,” as these kinds of things can be risky right before applying to college. However, it is a wonderful idea, and it could change other people’s lives immensely. She would be very brave to take this on. </p>

<p>Homecoming: Having only experienced it at her old school, I can comment about that. It is always alumni weekend of course, and the big football game is Friday night with a bonfire and bbq before the game, and the performing arts program is on Sunday (got to get those alumni to dig deep into the pockets). They only added performing arts to the mix the past 2 years, because the alumni wanted to see a cabaret/show or band or dance show. The semi-formal homecoming dance is on Saturday night. It is always at the boys school they share classes with. My d has been invited to go, and hopefully, the teachers will not turn her away (if they do she’ll be crushed). They have a list and you show your id. They have the police and medics at all dances/proms (due to the amount of drinking the kids do before they come to the dance - my d has and never would be involved with that group of girls; however, she said at last weekend’s dance, more and more kids are coming drunk sadly). For the dance, they all get ready at someone’s house and go to homecoming (or any dance for that matter) in “packs.” Because we live so far away, we had to get a hotel room at the hotel where the winter prom was and the girls had a sleepover. But for the most part, I drive my d down and they get ready together (do each other’s makeup, chat, etc.). Then the parents take pictures in the house - the boys might come over before hand for pix too. Heaven forbid you should walk into “any” dance alone! And you must be fashionably late. </p>

<p>After the game on Friday night and dance on Sat night, they all go out and eat at the local diner (it’s packed with kids), and that is the fun part. </p>

<p>The homecoming dance at the public school, so we’ve been informed, is on the front lawn of the school, and I’m not sure how it works, but my d doesn’t want to go, since she would be all alone (not even a girl friend she could hang out with). That’s what hurts the most. You feel like an idiot just standing there at something so major. So she is going to pass on it.</p>

<p>Dating: since middle school, these kids think they are “dating” - it’s funny. The boy will ask a girl to a movie, then they “go out” for maybe 3 days. My d never dated. And the majority of the kids do not go steady as we would call it. No one has time. There were a few kids that “hook up” at the dances or special sweet 16 parties. BUT the caveat here is that the boys always TALK. That’s the bad part, and it deters many of the girls from going out with the boys. It’s pretty disgusting actually, and it has brought many a girl to tears. The school health teacher had to call the boys out on it, because they would “clap” when a girl walked by that supposedly “put out.” The big cause celebre (sp) was who lost their virginity over the summer. Not many - just 2 or 3, which almost everyone found in poor taste. The big issue in private is the drinking. That is more prevalent than anything - it’s everywhere. They come to the dances drunk. The school does not allow water bottles in anymore. The kids also smoke pot and hookah pipes (they go into NYC for that). What I do find commendable in our local public school (which the private schools would never allow) is that they now give breathylyzer tests to the kids before and after the prom (since they don’t have a local place in our town where kids can go to dances; it’s town specific). In private, the parents would freak out that it is an infringement of rights. My d would say that the kids would walk right past the teachers into the ballroom drunk. The teachers stay OUTSIDE the dance basically turning a blind eye to it. The big dance in December for about 8 private schools is at the Waldorf Astoria (kids from MA, CT, NH, NYC) are invited to support a cause. However, again, the parent chaperones sit outside the room, and last year, a DJ had to tell the kids to take one of the girls home because she was falling down drunk. </p>

<p>I guess my big fear is that most of these kids in private school who are friends with my d, will most likely go on to either ivies or great schools due to contributions or legacy status, never to be in touch again. I told my d that generally once kids go off to college, they very rarely stay in touch and only see each other when they come home during the holidays. But this group goes away during the holidays. And if she thinks it’s hard to make friends in this big public school, that should tell her she wants to go to a small college (she thought she wanted a big university). Hopefully with a fresh start, somewhere cool and friendly, she’ll make some nice friends. </p>

<p>Life moves on, and we can only hope our kids wind up with good friends and mates who can sustain them through good times as well as tragedy.</p>

<p>Meg- cracking up at your son. Although my d travels in packs, last year I hear from a number of boys moms that they didnt even know their sons were going to homecoming. One found out that night when her son was looking for his suit. Needless to say he was dropped off at our house very late and missed the before party. (suit was a year old and you know what fit a boy this month will not next month). </p>

<p>While D is full IB at this point intense HW has not kicked in. Her friends who are doing the film or physics track are under a lot of strain due to the workload. D is on the Bio track and so far it seems the right decision for her. Of course she could be snowing me. It wouldn’t be the first time. :0)</p>