Parents of the HS Class of 2017 - 3.0 to 3.4 GPA

DS17 got accepted by OSU today. Not a huge surprise & I was expecting it this week. They do rolling admits and he got his application in my-January. But we are very happy… Right now he’s in everywhere he’s heard from. But the reaches (mostly CA schools) are still to come.

It’s one of my favorite for him. Cheeper than UofO and he’s likely to get a small scholarship. Still more expensive than the CA schools. Had a great CS department. But you only get into a pre-major and have to get the grades to stay in the program.

@CoyoteMom , we haven’t RSVP’d yet but after today’s news, which I could illustrate with flying moneybags, I want to take a much closer look at the in-state options so I’m going to see now if there’s still room. Yes, we need a secret signal for sure!

@tacocat333 Congrats on the Dickinson acceptance and scholarship!

@curiositycat333 Great to hear from OSU, congrats!!

Traveling for work this week, so I’m way behind, but I’ll catch up this weekend…

Funny email last night–S is offered a $12k per year scholarship to King’s College, a school he has never shown any interest in and they had never contacted him before now. AND they’re waving the application fee. :)) He’s not biting, but it was just a bizarre offer…

Well, somehow, it would appear that this struggling son of calc 1) pulled up the grade to a B- and 2) the teacher somehow magically rounded up to a solid B in the final grade upload. Not sure if that was a senior transcript present or not but I’ll take it. @CoyoteMom I hope you end the semester with a similar result!

So kid ended up with a better than expected gpa all around and his overall gpa inched up a tiny tad. Which is far better than the alternative. Kind of annoyed as he threw away a half point in APES by not doing the January composting (which he always does on his own!). Apparently she didn’t “remind” anyone (shouldn’t have to) and the whole class spaced. Of course all the AP classes are B/B+ and the remainder all A’s but that’s ok. I don’t expect it will mean anyone will toss more money his way but it looks solid from a transcript perspective and not a really a drop from junior year.

I agree with all on the tutor aspect, he has had one before in math and it has helped. He flat out doesn’t want one right now. That may change for 2nd semester as he does see the $ value of passing that AP test.

On that subject though, it occurred to me this week as I was really seeing what his credits now and potential would do and something hit me. UNLESS the kid has enough credits to really cover a at least half a semester it doesn’t help a whole lot. You need to be able to drop to part time for one semester at a minimum, for that to “pay off”.

To that end I did send in one of his DE transcripts, his Pre-Calc “college in the classroom” which is UW credits 3 of the schools, one of which we’ve dropped to see if it would recieve credit or not. One school will not evaluate unless he matriculated but the other 2 both gave credit ( and interestingly enough the same amount of credit 3.34 which seems a very odd number of credits lol) and in both cases it either satisfies a gen ed or an elective. A 4th school I know takes it so I didn’t send it. The other 3 will not. I know the whole paying for college credit at the HS level for classes taken at the HS is debated as being valuable or not so it was interesting to see if that investment paid off or not. In his case, I think it did, especially if he ends up at a school that takes the credits lol. S19 chose not to do it, arguing that he’ll have AP tests for both AB and BC and those would be better and equal in terms of credits (and cost less). I hope he is right.

We need to register (and pay for) all AP tests by 2/17 so he will need to decide what he is testing for. He really should go for them all, it’s safest. AP lit does not count at UVM but other than that, they all count. I think we can cancel the test registration afterwards but need to check into that (I recall kids doing that last year with Physics).

Small music update. Recorded audition successfully transmitted and received by the Head of Bands/Dept Chair who “really enjoyed it”. It goes on to the trombone teacher now and they will let him know. Seems to be a fairly quick turnaround but I expect notification will be snail mail, not email.

He had a complete meltdown though about preparing 4 pieces for the live audition (2 jazz, 2 classical). Which killed me. The kid mucked up the original audition sign up, then had me add the jazz and now wants to cancel the jazz. So I made him do it. I suspect the assistant director of the program thinks we are both idiots at this time. Of course the two auditions are scheduled at different times and we can’t tell which one is which! UGH.

On the positive side, dropping the jazz piece has gotten him moving on 2 other scholarship apps, one of which needed a very specific LOR so he actually (finally) requested that yesterday. So that’s something.

@snoozn bummer about the OSU honors college, I would have thought she had a solid shot to be honest but I also don’t know that much about it.

@mackatarinasmom what a lovely personal phone call! Fingers crossed for honors college and decent FA.

@Hankster1361 that is really good to know about WSU. I don’t expect S19 to make NMSF but you never know at this point with him and he is likely to be on the gpa bubble for sure. Darn foreign languages…the gpa killer.

@tacocat333 ugh, mixed blessing on Dickinson. It’s why it wasn’t on our list much as I think it would have been a really lovely school for S. There are so many schools that fall into that bucket for the B+ kid with no need. It is depressing. They will give you some…but not enough.

@curiositycat333 congrats on OSU. Even if not unexpected it’s still a really fabulous option and fit for your S. I would choose it over U of O as well, largely based on price but the kids we know that have gone there have absolutely loved it.

@MSU88CHEng that is flat out odd but these late emails generally are. Odd and…desperate. Or they want to inflate their admission % (hello Reed, talking to you).

It seems like D didn’t have any chance with OSU honors, so maybe it’s good she didn’t spend much time on the essay. I doubt OSU would have stayed on anyway, since it doesn’t seem all that different from CSU (at least not $10,000 different!) and she did get into CSU honors (luckily not as competitive.) She just got her notification that she was denied from Gonzaga honors, but that was not a surprise. Honors programs are not a big deal to her at smaller schools, but she figured she should go for the (small) scholarship.

We don’t have any scheduling issues so far, but I’m starting to panic a little about S18 not being able to visit colleges if D has too many admitted student things. We probably won’t know until March if he’s spending senior year in Germany. A bit late to schedule spring trips, but we’ll work with what we have. Summer isn’t optimal, but not too bad.

@“Queen’s Mom”, I have the same worry about my kids landing on opposite coasts. D17 could be in the NE or WA state. S18 the same and he’s even talking southern CA (cool brochure from U of Redlands may have had something to do with CA popping up on the radar.) On the plus side I guess we’ll have lots of frequent flyer miles!

@MSU88CHEng, Good luck with the Albany Scholar’s day and honors college! Sorry your S is the social science kid in with all the math nerds. I can understand why he’d be reluctant to look like the confused kid (even though the teacher’s job is to teach everyone!)

Luckily D17 doesn’t care about being “that kid.” S18 might though – I should ask. He’s another who’s used to grasping things easily, but Calc BC and AP Lang are keeping him busy. He even admits to having excellent teachers. On the good side, he opted to take honors chem instead of AP. I know AP Chem wore D17 out and she usually has no problem with STEM classes.

@mackatarinasmom, UNCG sounds like a great option! Good luck to her getting into the honors program.

@tacocat333, an acceptance is always nice, but sorry Dickinson didn’t follow through with enough merit. $50,000 – ouch! I hope he’ll have better luck with Pitt.

@curiositycat333, congrats on OSU! Their price came out pretty well for us and the engineering program seems really strong. Just not enough to compete with CSU’s very affordable price.

no Merit here either for Rutgers :frowning:
Well, the award letter said “award of 5,500 in loans” and they subtracted that out from the COA, Yea, ok, sure! Crazy.
Drexel is cheaper for us now by about 6.5K/yr (total 26K cheaper) which is significant!

I did read on another thread that Rutgers puts stats through a machine for both honors college/scholarships but only if your HS provides rank (which ours does not). If the GC calls and gives an approximate rank - they may consider you for Honors College (and therefore scholarships as well.) I have not verified this, nor will we ask the GC at this time as my D is really not interested in Rutgers (it was a parent pick). But this is interesting if some colleges do this…

@curiositycat333 , congrats on OSU! It sounds like a great fit.

@CoyoteMom , I wasn’t able to RSVP to the GMU Honors College event when the invite first came, and today the link said it was full. I still wasn’t able to log on to get on the wait list, so I called and they went ahead and added us – no wait list! If you go, I’ll look for the kid-less mom (but if you’re thinking about it you might want to contact them sooner than later).

I’m peeling myself off the floor – TacoSon got an 86 on the AP Calc midterm! OMG! And I had a meltdown yesterday after he took it because he didn’t bother checking in with the calc teacher beforehand. I guess that shows me. So semester grade is a decent B (after C+ first quarter). Now to see the IB Spanish verdict…

@snoozn Sorry about the honors program rejects. As I was saying not too surprised by the OSU one, as I’ve heard it’s super competitive. But too bad.

Sounds like CSU is a good option for her. I couldn’t get DS to apply… but I guess that’s as well. He’s kind of sold on Oregon. I’m having a hard time convincing him to visit Oregon over his spring break. (That is if he gets into CU Boulder) I think it’s a match school for his as he applied for the CS program in A&S rather than the Engineering program.

As for Rutgers… What I know about it that it’s the school my mother went back to when I was in Elementary school and got her BA from. Which means very little really. I think I remember sitting in on a class or two with her during that time.

We will have to see how DS fairs at the CA schools he applied to before he can really make a decision.

@Fishnlines29 , I’m with you on that fabulous $5K loan! I think it’s so they don’t send a blank FA letter. Maybe they’ll also spot me a cup of flour since I’m baking and ran out. (I’ll just be prepared to give them 2 cups back in 5 years.)

@Fishnlines29 and @tacocat333 many people file FAFSA so they have the loan option. I agree though, that is NOT financial aid in my book even if the school thinks it is.

Great news on the calc grade @tacocat333, I feel your relief! Though S didn’t do nearly that well on the semester final.

@Fishnlines29 That’s an impressive financial difference with Drexel. Is it a top contender?

@MSU88CHEng -

King’s College sent zillions of emails recruiting my S12 (Commended student & AP Scholar). I looked into it and it’s a seriously Christian college. My family is Jewish so this just didn’t appeal to us. You may have a different view. On another note, I have a friend whose son is a freshman in the Honors Program at Albany and he loves it. He’s a computer kid. One of S17’s best friends applied but I haven’t his outcome yet; he is, however, another serious computer whiz kid. S17 didn’t apply because its theater program isn’t strong enough for what he wants.

@curiositycat333 Both my parents actually attended Rutgers and that’s how they met! It was my ‘parent pick’ for D.

@tacocat333 @eandesmom yes, it’s just funny how they actually subtracted the loan from the cost of attendance and gave a new total! Most don’t show it that way…

@eandesmom I think yes, Drexel is a top (3) contender. We were both surprised and thrilled with the merit offer so it did move up on the list and it’s just nice to have an offer in hand where D says she would be perfectly happy. That said, we are waiting on most schools still (about 8) - she definitely has a favorite (ED2 school) we are waiting on and I think out of the rest, maybe only one other that might ‘beat out’ Drexel in the end.

Surprisingly & happlily home from the business trip (a day early), and sort of caught up…

@tacocat333 --I’m glad the strugggling calc sons sympoisum is still active :slight_smile: Thanks to all for the support on S Calc struggles! S is definitely like @eandesmom 's S19, and used to knowing it all. In his History & Social Sci-ish classes, it drives him CRAZY if kids haven’t done the reading and the teacher is teaching the basic stuff–S wants to dig deeper and compare/contrast different events. And he’s not shy at all–one of the most frequent comments on his grade reports is “actively contributes to class discussions” (which I sometimes interpret as “Could he please shut up sometime so the other kids can talk, too?”). And I really don’t think he understands that the 4 other kids in the AP Calc class (all good kids that we know) would benefit and/or happily help and/or ignore if the teacher would spend time working on stuff S needs help with. But then S would have to admit to his peers that he needed some extra help, and there’s that ego again…

@techmom99 Thanks for the insight on Kings College–S isn’t interested at all in putting out any more apps. And it’s awesome to hear the good things about Albany–it’s still a frontrunner for S. He would be a Public Policy major there (hopefully 3+3 law program), but it’s good to hear the Honors program is good–and S is intrigued by potential internships in the Albany area…

Had an interesting day… I was on my business trip but checked S grade portal from afar while away because semester grades were supposed to be finalized today. When I pulled up his grade report, the quarter gpa was 6 points below where it was 3 days ago–huh, WHAT? Looking closer, his IB Psych grade for the quarter was 0! But the teacher’s comment on the report was still something benign like “student is a pleasure to have in class.” I texted S to have him check with the teacher because he needs to send mid-year grade reports out next week for 2 honors college apps. After 2 hours, S replied, “Oh, I missed the 1st assignment of the new quarter, and it’s a glitch in the grading system that it bumped the 2nd quarter grade to 0.” Ummm, not even going into why he missed another assignment in a class he actually cares about, but WHAT? ~X( So, I calmly texted back, “Well, can it please be fixed soon so that you don’t have a 0 on the midterm grade report you send for honors college apps?” @-) As I was on my flight home, he worked with the teacher, and the quarter grade is back to a 92–just a touch better than the 0. :slight_smile: As an added bonus–his weighted gpa for graduation purposes will stay over 95, so he’ll have the fancy gold “high honors” cord along with his spiffy IB sash and NHS cord to wear for graduation. B-)

@tacocat333 and @eandesmom - yay for struggling sons in Calculus members who did well enough on their midterms to pull out solid Bs for the quarter! Congrats especially to TacoSon on the 86 (silly me - in addition to being good on the transcript, maybe he’s actually mastering the material!!) Fingers crossed - CoyoteSon thinks he did well on the exam - his grades should come out next week. Thanks for the helpful sympathy as we wait!!
Like eandesmom - I don’t expect his senior transcript will impress/earn any more merit; the six colleges left on CoyoteSon’s list are all going to be tough for admission – just hoping the grades don’t toss his app right into the old “circular file”.
@MSU88CHEng - Whew - that “0” would have given me heart palpitations - so glad your son found the trouble and got it worked out! A 92// high honors at grad all sound great! Good luck with helping him with speaking up when he needs help, and not just when he already knows the answers–not really sure how to help our kids develop that very needed skill.
@tacocat333 – here’s hoping I will see you at the GMU Honors event - I am on the waitlist, (ugh…does give the impression that even the Honors College is still too big and impersonal, with the event marked full in less than a week from getting invitation)–on Monday, I will take your tip and call to see if I can get registered. Would love to meet up in person!

Yes, I forgot to congratulate the struggling calc sons who got the grades up–great job by @tacocat333 S, @eandesmom S and @CoyoteMom Coyoteson–Good luck to Coyoteson on the midterm grade! There’s hope for my S to pull the grade to a B or B- before the end of the year since it’s a full year class, but it won’t make or break his scholarships or honors apps where it is now. He also signed up to take the AP exam, so we’ll see. S15 got a 3 on the AP Calc exam, but it was enough to place him out of Algebra/pre-calc at his small SUNY school where he’s a Kinesiology major.

Yes… congrats to all the struggling calc students who pulled their grades up.

Question… In the end of the day how do you compare schools. Since I now have to acceptances to compare. (Yes… there is a 3rd but it’s really only a safety.) I’ve started trying to compare UofO vs OSU computer science programs. I had thought OSU’s would be ‘better’ than UofO since it has the Engineering school. But I’m not sure. I just looked at the not to be named… ranking of computer science departments. Its’ a bit different than I’d expect. And it’s really a ranking of GRADUATE programs. It doesn’t even have schools like Cal Poly SLO on their list. Doesn’t affect what the undergraduate experience is like.

Does anyone have any suggestions of rankings that are based on Undergraduate experiences. Ie… some sort of rankings based on something other than graduate programs & what professors know about each other, or yield? Perhaps more based on how many students graduate in 4 years, get jobs or go to graduate school afterwards.

Another congrats to all our hard-working SSC’s!

D had a good “Choose CSU” admitted students day yesterday. They did an excellent job. CSU has gone up in her estimation, but unless she gets cold feet about being far from home I don’t think they’re really on the list. Here’s where the “still on the table” schools stand:

3 affordable admits, one of which we have not visited
3 schools where she’ll probably get in or has been accepted, but we have no $$ info yet (and one not visited)
3 schools where getting in is questionable and needed merit seems highly unlikely

We’re ignoring the three unlikeliest and focusing research on the “known affordables” and “maybe affordables.” We’ve made a huge list of comparison areas both academic and non-academic. We’re looking at program size, research facilities, and main areas of research academically. We’re also going to get the requirements from each school for EE and gen ed to see what a likely schedule looks like. We’re looking at the towns and travel logistics. So much data!

@curiositycat333, I don’t know anything about UofO vs. OSU CS, but do you think you really need a ranking of the specific programs? It seems like since they’re both big research U’s that one won’t be “better enough” in a ranking sense to make much difference. Does either have a focus like cybersecurity or networking, etc. that your S finds appealing? I would turn to admissions for help if you can’t find any specific deciding factor. I’m sure they could set up conversations with professors or current CS students that would give a better feel for how the programs might differ.

@Fishnlines29, sorry about Rutgers. I like everything I’ve heard about Drexel. It would have been on D’s list if they had a renewable energy program.

@MSU88CHEng, I’m glad you and your S were able to get that 0 fixed! You’d think that for seniors they would be aware how devastating that could be. I actually graduated a quarter late because my senior project prof forgot to enter my final grade. I couldn’t get it fixed because he’d gone off to do field work in a different country and no one in the school could get hold of him. I had to walk with a blank diploma and was none to happy. (On the good side I did get an A!)

@snoozn Thanks… Since we are still waiting on 4 admission decisions we aren’t really making end of the day decisions YET. But from what I can gage from talking with him, he is really interested in Oregon. If he gets into UCSC I can see it coming down to the two of them. The biggest downside to UCSC vs. U of O is there’s no marching band. (If he doesn’t get into either UC… only then will Boulder come into serious consideration.)

When we visited last spring I really really liked OSU for him. But that was before he’d decided on a major and was still considering Engineering. At that time it was a plus you didn’t get in as a freshman. Plus I liked Corvallis better than Eugene, and it’s cheeper. (He should get a small amount of merit from them.) But… I’m not sure it’s the better fit for him. He likes UofO better for a few reasons. I think part of this partly assuming myself that for CS he would do just as well at one or the other. And that is OK to make the decision on other things. Liking the music dept better, or that they have a full Linguistics dept.

@curiositycat333 I agree it’s really tough to compare a specific department of each school. Of course it’s subjective, but you can look at niche and studentsreview - usually you can drill down to major - at least it gives an idea of what some students think! You can try asking on the respective forums on CC.

It’s really tough to gauge though, so ultimately I think I’m leaving it up to my kid to decide what she feels is a better fit.

@snoozn I’m glad you’ve heard good things, most people say so, but a few do not - I guess it’s tough to know what your own kid’s experience is going to be! Sounds like you are certainly narrowing things down and in the same compare/contrast mode… We are registered for two admitted students days, so I’m hopeful they go as well as CSU did for you!