What are your thoughts on colleges in the Fall (2020) reducing tuition if the first semester (or even second semester) if they have to do online courses for the school year (or partial year)?
D20 will be attending (god willing) a private college in the fall and tuition is very expensive. Hard pill to swallow if some or most of the instruction will be done remotely for the 2020/2021 school year.
@socaldad2002
I was told there might be ârebateâ of some sorts for room/board (which could be substantial ig) but havenât heard anything about tuition. I doubt there will be tuition reduction tho.
@makemesmart - I would hope if theyâre not attending on campus that they wouldnât be paying ANYTHING for room and board. Unless you mean in the event of a late semester move in rather than the entire semester being online?
I imagine there could also be a huge surge on financial aid requests/adjustments with parents who are now in a vastly different financial situation.
My D20 has a full-tuition scholarship so I am hoping if the fall semester is online that she is only paying fees and books for that semester⊠I will say online learning ability (schools that are better versed in it) just became very important.
@socaldad2002 no schools are reimbursing for tuition for current students. I just donât think theyâll do that even if this happens in the fall. I donât agree with it but all schools are going to be losing a ton of money and their endowments will likely be tanking too. We are paying full tuition for this spring - $28,000. Is online worth it? Not quite but I think the top schools are doing it pretty well. Itâs important for the kids to continue on in their studies and get credit for these classes. This wonât go on forever. I am bracing for the possibility that school wonât be on campus in the fall.
But what can you do? You donât send your D to Duke because of this crisis? Hopefully, it will be figured out by Dec at the latest and sheâll be on campus having the experience she wants then. Yes, it sucks. It also sucks that college seniors get no closure and donât get their final weeks at school. It sucks for the spring college athletes who trained for four years for their final season. It sucks even for our college freshman who was hitting his stride and is now home for a very extended summer.
So, if school is online for one more semester, full pay families wonât pay the $7,000-$10,000 in room and board for fall. I assume schools would maybe have freshman come back to campus a little early for second semester and do the freshman welcome in person then (after some sort of virtual welcome in the fall). This is all speculation at this point. Things change every single day. Itâs hard! But I really think the top schools in the country like Duke will manage this best.
@cshell2 sorry I was talking about the colleges who are now doing distant-learning. And I agree with you about fall. Letâs hope that would not happen.
To me, the worst thing for college seniors (and possible juniors) are not the missing of graduation (it sucks), but the deteriorating job market and potential recession years to come. Remember Class of 2008/9?
Iâm more worried about the fall, too, but there are so many unknowns that itâs hard to plan ahead.
At this point, S20 has confirmed his enrollment in the local flagship, and weâve made the housing deposit. If school is online in the fall, he can do his work from home, but I feel sad that he might miss the freshman experience he was looking forward to, living in the dorm with other honors students, study groups, hands-on labs, maybe joining a fraternity.
Orientation is normally in June or July, and heâs supposed to choose a date for that in a couple of weeks. I have no idea how theyâre planning to handle it.
And money is a little more of a concern now. DH still has a job for now but took a pay cut. We may need to decide if I should go back to work knowing that Iâll be at higher risk of bringing the coronavirus home. Iâm guessing the admission and scholarship situation is going to look very different for D22, who has had her eye on private LACs but might need to go to a public depending on how the money works out.
I donât think thereâs any way colleges will be giving a break on tuition in the fall if the CV is still an issue. Kids will start online. I hadnât really thought much about this possibility, but it seems like it could happen. Luckily D20 is taking a pretty standard load, and not counting on any AP credit. Hopefully, they could get onto campus at some point in the first semester. Iâd sure like to see that curve start to ease up a little bit, but with people ignoring the suggestion to stay home things arenât likely to change anytime soon. Good for San Fran, and now the rest of CA, as well as parts of other states that are implementing a lockdown.
AP exams will be 45 minutes long and taken at home. Dates of exams not yet released. Material covered on exams shortened to reflect the shorter amount of class time. No info listed at this time on the site as far as students who get test accommodations such as extended time.
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/news-changes/coronavirus-update
@voyagermom, do you have any specifics about Calculus BC - would it only test the AB portion or BC as well? I wonder if colleges would still give credit for two semesters of math with this yearâs APs. Thanks!
Thereâs specifics for each course in the link. Calc BC is skipping these topics.
Unit 9, Unit 10 (except Topics 10.2, 10.5, 10.7, 10.8, and 10.11)
@typiCAmom, sorry donât know anything beyond what is on the chart. No idea if colleges will decide that for this year to just give credit for calc I and not both I and II with it. I would guess they wouldnât change it, but I really have no idea.
Once your child has the score from the exam they can double check with the university they plan to go to and see. And of course depending on if calc III is needed for the major you can decide if it still makes sense to take calc II first based on missing some of the material. Know what I mean? Even if the college accepts the BC exam for both I and II, it may or may not be good to hop right into calc III.
To me, the fact that AP tests are now online suggests that schools will not return this year. I feel bad for my S20 and everyone else.
I just said this on another thread but I have very little interest in paying full private school tuition for online classes. I donât know what weâll do if the school doesnât start in September and doesnât want to allow gap semesters.
Regarding APs - I told my students that we are continuing to learn the rest of the material (online, no issues with connectivity for my group) - because regardless of what the new âexamâ covers in its 45 minutes, I know that at top colleges, theyâll want to assess kids for a full Chemistry course in a placement exam etc. It would not help anyone for students to know less when they get to college this fall.
(I do think that colleges may not give the full semester of credit for a truncated high school AP class. I also think this will disproportionately impact poorer kids and this will be a problem. However, if kids have access to the âAP Centralâ free website, they can do some self-testing/self-teaching also.)
I realize that my students have the privilege of internet access and their books at home and me helping them. I feel very much for other kids in other environments, and Iâm glad that their AP testing wonât be insurmountable with the adjustments. I just want my students to come out of it with the full class worth of knowledge if humanly possible.
Thanks @fretfulmother Teachers like you are very much appreciated in a time like this.
@fretfulmother . You make some great points. My 12th grader hasnât had a class yet although the school claims to be doing distance learning. The teachers are just posting work. They are not actually conducting classes remotely which is what I expected. I will be taking this up with the principal of our small private school.
My D20âs AP Lang teacher is not assigning work but just giving suggested assignments, which D will keep up with, but itâs definitely less work than what she would have been doing had school not been cancelled. Weâve just decided not to have either D20 or D21 take the test, as it was only going to give D20 elective credit anyway, and D21 will just plan to take the AP Lit test next year hopefully. Luckily, their dual enrollment courses have been very good at keeping them working and getting through all the material. The cc didnât seem to miss much of a beat in getting everything online, up and running.