<p>Over the past year my wife, daughter, and I have made campus tours of all the Ivy League schools as well as Georgetown. My daughter is an accomplished golfer and wishes to play college golf. Academically, she wishes to study business and ultimately work on Wall Street. </p>
<p>Her college search has been limited to the east coast as she really loves that part of the U.S. We presently live in Texas. She received offical visit invitations from Georgetown, Yale, and Penn to meet the coach and golf team. Academically she has already been accepted into Georgetown, Yale, and Penn's Arts & Sciences college. She did not take calculus in high school (only pre-cal) and Wharton requires calculus. Even the Penn golf coach tried to talk to Wharton into accepting our daughter but they said no. </p>
<p>She had her two day visit with the Georgetown and Yale coach/golf teams (back to back two day visits) this week and Penn is in three weeks. Georgetown absolutely rolled the red carpet out for my wife and daughter. Yale not so much. </p>
<p>Here is my question: Without consideration of what city my daughter wishes to live in, what would be the better undergradute experience: a business degree from Penn's Arts & Sciences college or a business degree from Georgetown's MSB school. I will add that one of the girls on the Georgetown golf team (a senior this year) did an internship at Goldman in her junior year and they just extended her an offer once she graduates.</p>
<p>This is our first rodeo with universities so appreciate any and all insight.</p>
<p>she cant study business at penn because she didnt get into wharton. She should with out thinking go to Yale. It is by far the most prestigious college on the list- you cant even compare it with georgetown. Go to yale hands down and she’ll have a great shot at wall street.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. She and my wife just finished their two day offical visit with the Yale golf coach and team. Was not feeling the connection like she did at Georgetown. Plus, my daughter was not that thrilled with New Haven. That is why I did not throw Yale into the mix with my question. We have actually visited Washington, D.C., New Haven, and Philadelphia probably half a dozen times each for various reasons over the past several years. Two campus visits of each school.</p>
<p>Quick question, Transfer9858, I see on Penn’s website that their Arts and Sciences college offers an economics degree which is separate and apart from the Wharton economics degree. The Penn college coach confirmed this. Am I missing something?</p>
<p>At Penn, she would apply to the College and major in Economics. She could also take some Wharton classes along the way as well. Big time NY financial firms recruit at Penn from both Wharton and the College.</p>
<p>You can only get a business degree from wharton, in the same way you can only get a bachelor of arts and science degree from the college, an engineering degree from the engineering school, and a nursing degree from the nursing school, or two degrees by doing a dual degree program at two of the four undergrad programs. </p>
<p>The closest thing she can get to a business degree from the college is an economics degree, which is prestigious and can get your daughter into wall street etc. if she gets the grades etc. </p>
<p>However in my opinion she should go to Yale, from the schools she’s been accepted to, they are through general consensus ranked as:</p>
<p>You aren’t missing anything. She can study economics at the college of arts and sciences. Economics isin’t business, wharton is. However, economics from the arts and sciences is still very good and the best degree for wallstreet/ business if you can’t get into wharton. But I am telling you now, it would probably be easier to get into wall street from Yale as a chemistry major, then penn with an economics major. Your dealing with two amazing schools, but Yale is by no question the top of the top. If she really doesn’t like yale, I wouldnt say force it, so then really try and like Penn. If she doesn’t like yale or penn, she can always transfer down to gerogetown. It is nearly impossible to transfer to Yale so she wont have that shot again, just make sure you know that.</p>
<p>^ Like transfer said, HYP(Harvard, Yale, and Princeton) are the the top 3 of the 8 ivies for a reason. Columbia/UPenn/Brown/Dartmouth/Cornell are all prestigious and amazing schools in their own right, but HYP are a notch beyond them.</p>
<p>You are correct, Shaheirunderdog. CAS degree is economics; not business. Being a business major myself at the University of Texas 25 years ago (go Longhorns!), I certainly know the difference between an economics degree and a pure business. But I suppose over the past 25 years in business I have just used the term interchangeably. But I certainly know they are two differenc disciplines. Thank you for your reply!</p>
<p>Transfer9858, I certainly understand your implied comment about the prestige of Yale and Penn. But we are not hung up on that. In fact, my daughter and wife just got back last night from their offical campus visits with the Yale and Gtown golf coach/team and one of the comments from my daughter was that there were quite a few folks at Yale that seemed a bit too hung up on the fact they they go to an Ivy League. Like I said earlier, my daughter has already been accepted to Yale, but she is not wearing that on her sleeve. She just wants the best overall college experience.</p>
<p>Another signficant dynamic that most parents and students do not have to deal with this the life of a student-athlete at a Division I school. The golf team (and I assume the other sports are similar) spend 6 days a week together training and traveling for golf tournaments. For 4 years. So you had better fell comfortable around the team and coach. My daughter felt no connection with the Yale coach or golf team. She said they were certainly nice people and nice to her, but she just did not get that same connection that she did at Gtown. My wife met the team and coach as well and echoed what my daughter said. As a side note, the golfer that my daughter spent the night with at the Gtown dorm said she also had an official golf visit with Yale last year. The golfers at that level all seem to visit the same schools since they all have the grades and the golf resume to get an official visit. Anyway, that Gtown golfer was very very careful about how she phrased her comments to my daughter since she did not want to taint in any way her upcoming visit to Yale but she told my daughter that she did not have the best experience during her official visit at Yale with the coach and team. She just did not feel the connection and commented that the coach and team seemed a bit indifferent to her. She said perhaps it could have just been her and she was curious as to how my daughter’s visit to Yale went. </p>
<p>And finally, my daughter felt that New Haven was not the best city for her to live in for 4 years. I will not make any comments about New Haven other than that. </p>
<p>One idea we threw out to our daughter was that if she felt Gtown was the place for her for her undergraduate work then perhaps she could do her MBA work at Columbia, Harvard, or one of the other top schools. My daughter loves NYC (we visit once or twice a year) and was considering Columbia. The Columbia coach was interested in my daughter but among other things, the Columbia golf course is over an hour away and there were other things that made my daughter decide not to pursue Columbia.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post, but I really do appreciate your insight and thoughts!</p>
<p>We’ve got some yale fan boys here now don’t we.</p>
<p>As im sure everyone knows wall street is a prestige game (it is actually pretty disgusting) but all three of those schools are targets and will be subject to heavy OCR from all the firms that your daughter will be interested in working for so their really isn’t a “Wrong” decision. </p>
<p>Have you considered the possibility of your daughter transferring internally at penn to Wharton? There will be a difference between Wharton kids and other kids when it comes to recruiting don’t kid yourself.</p>
<p>If the fit is the same at Penn and G town I would say have here go to penn and transfer into Wharton sophomore year.</p>
<p>Don’t bother with yale if she actually wants a business education
If you want to let everything ride on prestige than by all means send her to yale.</p>
<p>Good comment Sean518X. With respect to transferring from CAS to Wharton, that is certainly doable, but the coach said that does not happen that often. Yes, it happens, but the percentages are low. This was confirmed with admissions. As far as Penn, my daughter has already made up her mind that if she cannot get into Wharton - - and that seems the case now - - then she is not interested as it would always bother her while she was at Penn that she did not get in. And the fact that five of the girls on the golf team are in Wharton would make my daughter just feel that much worse. Great for the other golfers, certainly, but my daughter would feel bad. </p>
<p>I just dont want to play the game of enrolling my daughter in CAS and “hoping” she can transfer to Wharton. Again, the life of a student-athlete is so hectic to begin with I don’t want to add to her stress level. </p>
<p>And like I said earlier, my daughter is not hung up on “prestige”. Gtown is certainly prestigious. And one of the seniors on the Gtown women’s golf team did an intership at
Goldman in her junior year and they just extended her an offer when she graduates. I understand from other posts and sources that WS recruits heavily at Gtown so I do not think she will be missing many opportunities. Plus, we have already told her that once she completes her undergraduate work she can attend one of the ivies for her MBA if she is so inclined. My wife have already determined that we cannot retire until we are 117!</p>
<p>Thanks again for your time and thoughts!</p>
<p>She got accepted to Yale and that is good enough for her. I am actually proud of her for her mature outlook. Sure wish I had that when I was 17!</p>
<p>I hear what your are saying and she sounds like she sounds like she knows exactly what she wants. However, you have to realize because one person got an offer at goldman doesn’t mean AT ALL that your daughter will get the same offer. People with 3.9 from harvard, wharton and so forth get rejected every day by places like goldman and Morgan. In fact, most of them do. Just so you know though, those places are filled with people who are alpha dogs and only care about the prestige and they are very aggressive; thats how they got to Goldman in the first place… Unless your brilliant with numbers, your going to have to fight to get in. Just don’t expect to get an internship at goldman, especially from georgetown. If her first priority is golf and having a great college experience while “exploring” courses and all that typical college stuff, then go to gerogetown. If her priority is investment banking and getting an amazing job after college, it should be yale. But it seems that her priority is golf and the college experience, so then gerogetown is the obvious and only answer…</p>