<p>I agree. I'm sick of this argument. I had fun at the beginning, you know, putting you down and insulting you. But now I'm just bored. Asi que me voy de esta mierda, porque la verdad no estoy para discutir con cualquier tarada que no se ha ni graduado de la escuela. Hablamos cuando empec</p>
<p>oh sheit, busting out of the reggggggaeton
gaso lina nananananananana</p>
<p>but seriously , someone bump my last post. I was surrious.
how is penn having so many people to pick from and so many people focused on other things than education? I mean penn has this reputation. friend of a friend who went to columbia said other ivies generally do more 'deep' work compared to Penn. Having been at Columb, I could see that.</p>
<p>I suppose one good thing about increased admissions is that as the sports slots have generally been filled already, wed theoretically get more peeps focused on education..???</p>
<p>megaman seems like you can't take me on in English because your vocabulary is weak. How's this: Como si dice:"You suck"</p>
<p>^^ lol this just keeps getting better...from what i remember, megaman is from Puerto Rico</p>
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If this is true, maybe things will change now that former Columbia admissions director (and Penn alum) Eric Furda will be taking over Penn admissions. Who knows? Maybe this had something to do with the quicker-than-expected exit of Lee Stetson and the quicker-than-expected selection of Furda? Probably not, but who knows?</p>
<p>This was actually a useful thread with meaningful posts, so I'm going to let this me my last post on it, seeing as our little argument has derailed it from its original direction. Finance, you little piece of arrogant *<strong><em>. You see the thing is, I'm from a different country, so I speak not one, but *</em></strong>ing languages (spanish, english and german). My native language is Spanish, and I'm sure you will NEVER achieve the fluency level in whatever foreign language you study that I have reached in English, so I recommend you avoid bashing on my language skills. </p>
<p>PS. I'm pretty sure that in any case I speak better English than you, which should be somewhat embarrassing for you.</p>
<p>someone should have called the moderator/LAPD like two days ago. our little asian utopia has been shaken forever by racial violence, that is, until April 1 anyways.</p>
<p>Wow, this thread went to the ****ter.</p>
<p>Back to the dumbness: I'll say that I've definitely met some dumb people here, and I was surprised how many there are. As a high school kid, I had this totally unrealistic perception of the "good" schools as being powerhouses of intelligence and performance - this was based upon my experience where I saw smart people getting rejected from schools. (I still maintain that the top 20% of my HS class was smarter than most of the penn people I know). Then again you have to remember - there are the athletes, the rich legacies, the affirmative action admits. And they add up, and you remember them.</p>
<p>Then again, I've continually been impressed by how well-adjusted the smart people I know here are. The math geniuses, the science geniuses - they're incredibly normal and approachable people. All too often I knew smart people who couldn't talk their way out of a bag. Penn has really impressed me in this area. </p>
<p>One thing that I should have realized: Wharton really attracts the overachievers, the student-council/FBLA types. These are the people who weren't smart, but worked hard and got in the right positions. Most of Wharton is smart people, but there are quite a few of these people too, and that really contributes to the less-intellectual culture.</p>
<p>Finally, I see a lot of nurses and college-majors who are intellectually lazy. They're afraid to take a math class, or to take a challenging class. I contrast this with the engineers or wharton students who don't really get a choice in that area - they have very strict requirements. There are very many smart and dedicated college students who love what they study, but there are a lot of history/english/soci/poli sci majors who are just taking the easy road out.</p>
<p>mattwonder are you suggesting that the "student-council/FBLA types" are somehow deprived of intelligence and are merely hard workers who dont really have brainpower?</p>
<p>Yeah, I'd say most of the ones at Wharton are. It's not that people in those activities are dumb, but that those activities sure attract the ********ters, and then those people are attracted to Wharton.</p>
<p>I agree with the comment that many college students are looking for easy courses overall. I've had conversations with other students where they insist I should find the easiest classes to fulfill random requirements. I honestly have no intent on taking a class simply because its easy. If I'm interested in it, and its easy the perfect, but if not, so be it. I feel this might be less do to dumbness and more due to a maniacal desire to increase GPA without actually having to work...</p>
<p>Matt, as formur seenior Class President, I congradulate you one yet another excellent point.</p>
<p>So the question is, can we reduce this large portion of Penn's excess, especially if there were to be a theoretical increase of student body size?</p>
<p>(Just how much are the Penn Baseball Team/dumb URMs doing for the school?)</p>
<p>Why not replace some of these underqualified slackers with people that will win us some cot damn medals or prizes down the road. God knows all the toolish lawyers Penn is churning out have yet to win the presidency in 143 years....</p>
<p>i really dont know why legacies get that much preferece...i can understand why Penn might lower standards for athletes and URMs, but really see no sense in reducing standards for legacies...its not like every legacy's parents are multi millionaire Donald Trump types who're going to donate millions to Penn</p>
<p>I highly concur with the point that has been made of there being a significant number of students that can simply be classified as "dumb" (the ones you wonder how they managed to get in) and I would also say that most of them are in the College. I would also say that Wharton attracts the overachievers, who can be smart (more "sharp" than truly smart), but hardly at the top levels.</p>
<p>You have to understand this point - when they create a class, the goal is not to get as many smart people as possible. Their goal is to fit many concerns - and a major concern for every ivy and private university is admitting enough legacy applicants so that donors still feel like their kid has a better than average chance. </p>
<p>Additionally, as they advertise - they're trying to create a diverse class, and that's where the athletes, the urms, and the geographical diversity is coming from. The idea is that these things are good for the school in the long run - the class gradually becomes smarter (as children of smarter legacies become smarter, and supposedly the rest of the class becomes smarter by learning from dumb minorities and athletes). </p>
<p>I believe it was Percy who put it best - the admissions process is not about you, it's about the school.</p>
<p>granted, and judging by the inability for Penn to churn out national figure heads other than financial illuminati's/*******s, Penn has SUFFERED and fallen behind its peers in the extremely important avenue of national name recognition. (and don't give me any of this non-waspy-name emoness just look at UChic and their trophy case of nobels)</p>
<p>unless penn's goal was to squander its superb early lead in the education game and end up for a long time(not so much now) as a mediocre univ among the best and with a great b-school.</p>
<p>that status quo has not treated penn well. the more reform, and the faster it occurs, the better.</p>
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<p>unless penn's goal was to squander its superb early lead in the education game and end up for a long time(not so much now) as a mediocre univ among the best and with a great b-school.
Well, Penn's list of notable alumni may not be as impressive as that of any of its tippy-top peers (i.e., HYPS), but it's not all about business, and compares fairly well to the non-HYP Ivies:</p>
<p>List</a> of University of Pennsylvania people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>I agree with you, though, that Penn can do significantly better, and that's clearly what the whole "excellence to eminence" push is all about.</p>
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If we could somehow spot these "genuises", we could kick them out and make room for more people. J/K, but seriously, is anyone else surprised by the amount of morons that you run into around here?
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Thats life. It's not what you know but who you know.</p>
<p>I just want to clarify that, more specifically, majority of these bimboy 'dumb' types are not really dumb, just lazy and not willing to put their hearts into the work. </p>
<p>But, assuming that they are of the same cut as their supposedly hard working parents, it makes sense, in an economic sense, for them to essentially **** away college as long as they do fine and get that Penn State degree. Their connections should be roughly of the value of the education they forsook. If that makes sense. Once they hop into what ever industry, they will then slowly through osmosis become driven, passionate, smart, etc....??</p>