<p>The students at Penn are quite confident that there is no prestige or name recognition problem that has any importance. They just laugh when they are asked "When is that old football coach finally going to retire?" or "Boy-that's a big school!"</p>
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please there is a difference between knowing Penn, an elite ivy league institution and Carleton a small good LAC. I would expect people to know Rice and Vanderbilt, but honestly if you don't know the ivies, HYPSM and a few others for their excellence then you are unsophisticated in my book.
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<p>To me, sophistication involves something much more substantive than how many colleges you know about.</p>
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Sounds good to me. I remember thinking that Penn's viewbook would shrink by half if they took out the words "first" and "Ivy League."</p>
<p>(Leave WUStL alone, though. What school wants to have WUSS in its name? :eek:)</p>
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Ah, so people should know the Ivy conference but not the Minnesota Intercollegiate conference. Thanks for explaining!</p>
<p>Well I don't think you children should be using words you don't know the meaning of. I think people who live in the Northeast should be able to tell the difference between the two schools. But people outside of that area probably have lives or careers outside of knowing every semi "prestigious" school in Pennsylvania. In fact I hope you don't get into your college of choice. And judging by your ignorance you probably won't.</p>
<p>that sounded a bit harsh, you michigan grad.</p>
<p>^^ lulz wolverine got pwned. yeah b/c Michigan is such a great school that gives u so much authority.</p>
<p>No it doesn't matter what school I or you attend. I have authority over the English language. End of discussion.</p>
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Well I don't think you children should be using words you don't know the meaning of. I think people who live in the Northeast should be able to tell the difference between the two schools. But people outside of that area probably have lives or careers outside of knowing every semi "prestigious" school in Pennsylvania.
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First of all, UPenn is prestigious, it is not "semi-prestigious."</p>
<p>Secondly, sophisticated people know at least a little about literature, art history, politics, international travel, education in the U.S., etc. And anyone who is anyone knows the difference betweeen UPenn and Penn State. Sorry but being from the Midwest is no excuse; one is expected to know these things.</p>
<p>You can still be a wonderful person and not know UPenn but you are most certainly not sophisticated.</p>
<p>umm btw my comment wasn't supposed to be offensive. i was just pointing out that the statement was from a michigan graduate...</p>
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<p>Zing. Yikes.</p>
<p>Hey, we can't help having so many firsts...it's just part of who we are ;)</p>
<p>Luckie Starchild, you sound like you need a hug.</p>
<p>this thread is stupid, PENN DOES NOT HAVE A PRESTIGE ISSUE, you can argue that Penn is better than Princeton or Princeton is better than Penn. The top 20 or so schools in the country are not that far off from each other. It just depends on what you want to study and what school is a better fit for you.</p>
<p>I was surprised to find out that U of Penn is older than Princeton!</p>
<p>If this is the case, how did that young whippersnapper Princeton become a higher ivy and U of Penn a lower ivy?</p>
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I was surprised to find out that U of Penn is older than Princeton!
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<p>Don't believe it. It's a myth that Penn likes to perpetuate to make itself feel better. The institution proper wasn't formalized until 1749 and the first students weren't enrolled until 1751. </p>
<p>It would be like Cornell claiming that it was founded in 1863 instead of 1865, because 63 was the year that Ezra Cornell first endowed his library in Ithaca. But the corporate structure of the University didn't come for two more years. And yes, I'm familiar with the arguments that Penn makes. But it's similar to the facetious claims that the American government is 233 years old, not 222 years.</p>
<p>Princeton may not have been located in Princeton until 1756, but it's been the same institution since 1746.</p>
<p>^^ I can't imagine why anyone would care.</p>
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I can't imagine why anyone would care.
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<p>Well, some of us have an appreciation for history.</p>
<p>But, otherwise, it shouldn't be a huge surprise to you that the Ivy League is a giant ****ing match. It all started with this one:</p>
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<p>It's one thing to discuss the relative merits of different schools, but it's meaningless to base any of it on whether one school is five years older or younger than another when both were founded 200+ years ago.</p>
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Well, some of us have an appreciation for history.</p>
<p>But, otherwise, it shouldn't be a huge surprise to you that the Ivy League is a giant ****ing match. It all started with this one:
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CayugaRed, u mad that u go to cornell (lulz) and not a colonial college?</p>