<p>Your friend's parents may be pulling your leg. Full ride at an Ivy (at their expense) is only possible for full financial needs families. Plus, he's doing work study. No ivies give a penny of merit scholarships.</p>
<p>Aren't there any 100% online applications?</p>
<p>vicariousparent,</p>
<p>That doesn't have to stop someone from mailing school X a packet full of puppy pictures and an SD card full of little league homerun videos.</p>
<p>Some people pull some big stunts to get into schools. xD</p>
<p>A quote from my friend while talking about apps for me this year: "My only advice is apply to a LOT of schools. I mean, I applied to 10 and that was soooo not enough. I got accepted to 8, rejected from 2, and WAITLISTED at Yale. It was definitely scary as hell. You need to have, like, 5 safeties"</p>
<p>Um....ok. And this is a girl who said she browsed the forums here, but never became a member because the people stressed too much.</p>
<p>I can kind of relate to people who obsess. But then, it's a little extreme sometimes. I admit that I hate getting scores which are a little less than perfect...but then I get over it! =] I think we all have better things to do than obsess over little details which probably won't affect us that much anyway.</p>
<p>Well you also have to consider that the colleges ppl are talking about are UNDERGRAD colleges, and i bet everyone in these forums are going to GRAD schools after...so why stress over a BA when you're going for an MBA later on? chances are...at your work place your boss will be promoting you on your WORK ethic not your harvard degree....my parents told me lots of stories of ppl who came from harvard and thought so highly of themselves when they got employed...those ppl were the first ppl fired from the job..</p>
<p>And why are ppl stressing so much over getting into ivies? i mean all these "do i have a chance" threads are either full of ppl who wanna show off their stats and pretend to be modest or ppl who are really unsure and shouldn't be applying in the first place. The main point of college is to come out with a job after. And firms will only look at the best students. so why work so hard to get into HYPM and be an average student (since chances are that there will be wayyy smarter ppl in your class) and end up with no job offers? I mean afterall, i'm assuming they will be average in the class otherwise they wouldn't be asking "do i have a chance" in the first place....they'd be confident enough to know they have a chance.</p>
<p>In the end it still looks wayy better to be top of your class in Umich than the bottom in harvard...who'd end u with the better job offer?</p>
<p>Also, after reading these forums, anybody would get the wrong idea about college applicants. All these stats i've read are just crazy! 98% of ppl would be freaking happy to get a score of over 2100, and i see ppl asking "should i retake on a 2200?" as if gettting that was a badd thing.</p>
<p>Ppl should remember that just because (for some wierd coincidence) all the top % of students who are appying to top unis just so happened to end up on this site, doesn't mean that your 1900 is bad. There are 30,000 applications sent to every one of these unis, and these 30,000 applications don't come from CC. CC is ust full of a lot of geniuses, which in turn make the average students feel worse and that leads to obsession because even tho 90% will have an SAT score under 2000, doesn't necessarily mean they won't get into college. I mean after reading all these threads, if i was an average student...i'd feel bad. I know my bf does after reading all this. He asked me "is it really true that ALL these applicants going to these unis have stats THIS high? i never saw so much high stats before in my life!" and he comes from a very very competitive IB highschool.</p>
<p>That just goes to show that CC has somewhat altered the impression of acceptances and has raised the bar of "just how good enough do grades and SATs have to be to get into college?"</p>
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that add up to 11? Maybe that's why she was waitlisted at Yale?</p>
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That may be your main point of college, lynn4eva, but for some, the main point of college is to get an education. Not necessarily the same thing.</p>
<p>you could regard it as the same thing Chedva. afterall, what do ppl use education for? i mean it'd be crazy to say i have a college degree but i'm not going to work..</p>
<p>obviously i'm going for the education, but in the end, bottom line is ppl go to college to get an education so that they can get a job..i mean that's why there are majors afterall...to specialize in your intended area of interest..</p>
<p>So does that mean that everyone who's gone to college but is not working at a job is "wasting" their education? You'd be surprised how many people there are out there.</p>
<p>I don't regard it as the same thing. Students who major in Art History or Archaeology or Ancient Languages aren't always (or even often) looking to get jobs in those areas, and most of them won't. They're studying things in which they are interested, and which they may never get the chance to study again. These are intellectual, not necessarily vocational, pursuits.</p>
<p>They may also deem it more important to go to a school at which they are challenged, with a demanding curriculum, but at which they may end up in the middle or the bottom of the pack, regardless of how that appears to employers. They may feel that they're getting a better education, even if that doesn't necessarily translate into a better job.</p>
<p>To some of us, education is an end in itself, not just a means to an end.</p>
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They may also deem it more important to go to a school at which they are challenged, with a demanding curriculum, but at which they may end up in the middle or the bottom of the pack, regardless of how that appears to employers. They may feel that they're getting a better education, even if that doesn't necessarily translate into a better job.
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<p>I can kind of relate to this. I stayed at a school with a challenging curriculum and ended up in the bottom of the pack (probably bottom quarter). Interestingly, though, it only came into play with perhaps one in five jobs for which I applied. Most of them were more impressed by the fact that I had made it through the school to begin with, and interested in seeing my actual skills. Where it did hurt was grad school apps (I got rejected by all), but I got a great (well-paying, good benefits, interesting, intellectually stimulating work, prospects for advancement and recognition) job.</p>
<p>But the stats here are normal for people applying to Ivy league colleges. Their average SAT range is 2050-2350, higher for HYP, so yeah, if you have a 1900 without STELLAR grades, recs, essays, and ECs, that is bad.</p>
<p>so maybe we should rename this "ivy confidential"</p>
<p>HAhaha people from my HS who are applying to top Ivy League universities have pretty low stats and not very strong EC's... (2000ish or less) Some applying to HYPS have 1900's-1800's and are not URMs. I bet at least a few thousand applicants to these top schools are like these people from my HS. Don't know if that makes anyone feel any better...
2050-2350 is probably the top ~50% of people applying to top schools.</p>
<p>This thread is creeping a bit -- here's another obsessive topic:</p>
<p>Is my app supposed to be in the admissions office by the due date or is postmark ok?</p>
<p>I guess this obsession works well either way. If they get in, of course that's well and good, but if they don't, they learn to be down-to-earth and would probably become more mature in the process. it's better to learn to face rejection earlier in life rather than later.</p>
<p>DON'T FORGET TO COME UP WITH A CLEVER USERNAME AND PASSWORD!</p>
<p>And ppl tell me to chill..pshhh..</p>