Persuade me to go to Bing

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<p>We know the world is coming to an end, soon, when decisions are made on assumptions. How in the world are you judging a school because of your assumption that on the weekends, people don’t exist. Given your account of intelligence, most Europeans also think Americans are stupid, naive, and dumb for the most part. We might as well start adhering to their assumptions as well. Stony Brook has a ton of events going on during the weekend, and plenty of people out of it’s ~25K student body on campus. If you want to have a good time, you can have it. </p>

<p>Back to academics, I repeat, Binghamton is NOT on the same tier as Stony Brook when it comes to Sciences. This is a fact backed by sources, backed by results, backed by competitions, backed by alumni. Refer to my previous post. Stony Brook is tough, with great on campus recruitment, with an amazing reputation for dispatching students to top-notch Science-oriented grad school. Given Bing’s poor performance in Science, if you wish to major in a field like a Computer Science, Biology, Chemistry, Earth Science, Biomedical Engineering, Geology, Physics, Astronomy, Pure Math, Applied Math, and the list goes on, and on, and on, it would be, and I hate to say this, frankly put, the dumbest decision of your life, given not only our results, and higher rankings, better known faculty, and last but not least RESOURCES(which I outlined earlier).</p>

<p>“Hi Mom, yeah, I know Stony Brook has a top 20 Math, Computer Science, Physics, and other Science programs, but my friend Jake, who heard from Jane, who was told by her cousins boyfriend, who was told by the pizza delivery said Stony Brook sucks on the weekend, so I will go to Bing, which has the same programs in the top 200(around the ballpark of 100’ish), and study some Science field like Chemistry over there. It might be a better decision Mom, but, but, after all, it was JAKE who told me!”.</p>

<p>Look at A)Rankings, B)Faculty size, and quality. C)Resources. D)Results E)Alumni </p>

<p>In the Sciences, and make an informed decisions.</p>

<p>Caveat:
I am not trying to say Binghamton is peanuts, it’s a great school. But Binghamton was never meant to be a Science-oriented school. That was and still is, and given our ongoing HEAVY investments will remain Stony Brooks job, with our world-renowned national lab, to be fair Stony Brook is neglecting it’s humanities and Liberal Arts, whereas Bing neglects it’s more hard Science fields. Bing’s job has been more humanities and liberal arts. You don’t here a Stony Brook student bragging about how good of a business school Stony has, where as Bing might have a better business, or say Anthropology department. Leave the Sciences for Stony Brook, and students who are interested in a tough, challenging, academic fueling Science-oriented environment should consider Stony Brook. It’s something we’ve been doing well for a long time, thanks to our 3 campuses and BNL. Our hard work is paying off, we know sit with elite ranks of Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton in various rankings, and our competition results, thanks in-part to our resources and students speak miles. I refer you back to the world prestigious, toughest global Math exam, where Harvard is #1, MIT #2, and yours truly Stony Brook is #4. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t find Bing no where near the top 500(if they even participated that is). These kind of results are honestly regular for us in Science. From nurturing 10-20 intel finalists a year, etc, etc.</p>

<p><a href=“http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/happenings/student-spotlight/putnam-competition/[/url]”>http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/happenings/student-spotlight/putnam-competition/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Best,</p>

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<p>Hey, you neglected to answer my question.</p>

<p>Here it is again. Do you have any research regarding students that leave campus on the weekends at Stony Brook? </p>

<p>This is a “yes” or “no” question.</p>

<p>If yes, provide links please.</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

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<p>This isn’t a ‘yes’ and ‘no’ answer. ‘yes’ students do leave campus on the weekend, the same way they might leave MIT, Yale, or Harvard. This is an impossible question to answer, and there is no right or wrong. You need to provide me ‘evidence’ and a ‘survey’ to show me the ‘majority’ leaves, other wise, the burden of proof is on you, not me. With due honesty, I am upset at myself for even responding to such a ridiculous post.</p>

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<p>The school has either done the research or it has not. </p>

<p>Obviously, it has not or you would have written extensively on the topic instead of dancing around the issue. </p>

<p>I never said the majority leaves. You are the first to suggest it</p>

<p>Of course, you wouldn’t know if the majority leaves unless you have done the research. And Stony Brook, apparently, has not. </p>

<p>If I had a reputation like Stony Brook DOES and I were a Stony Brook
administrator, I’d be enlisting your awesome, superior research skills there to see what the truth was to the perception and then I would use the results to address any issues that were discovered.</p>

<p>Some research institution you have when you won’t even research your own problems or be honest and open about them. If you think the topic is “ridiculous,” then you don’t get it and never will. </p>

<p>And so goes Stony Brook.</p>

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<p>I’m not going to argue these points, but I’d like to correct a few pieces of misinformation that redsrule just stated to ensure that prospective students do not have incorrect information.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>All large lecture hall classes have discussion sections in some form. Every lecture hall class in the hard sciences have labs as well. The only class that I’ve seen with a large class size and without traditional discussion sections was an astronomy course, but the “void” was filled by regularly scheduled evening “viewings” to supplement the course material in addition to the normal lectures. Discussion sections vary from course to course - some courses use it as review, others for readings to supplement course material, others to go over homework, etc., but they’re always there.</p></li>
<li><p>Graduate students do not teach classes by themselves, but do teach discussion sections often. The discussion sections will be going over material the professor has already taught, not new material. There are undergraduate teaching assistants leading discussion sections as well.</p></li>
<li><p>Classes are generally small, and I have hard numbers to back me up on that; 82% of our classes have less than 50 students. 40% of our classes have less than 20 students. This counts all undergraduate classes. The classes I took my first semester had the following class sizes, in declining order: 241 (with a 39 person discussion), 37, 20, 16. You experience lower class sizes as you get farther into your major classes, even in our largest majors. Economics, one of our largest majors, has the following class sizes in their 400s level classes (I’m copying these numbers directly off the class schedule for all classes in Fall 2012 and omitting none):</p></li>
</ol>

<p>41, 41, 12, 17, 44, 41, 37, 39, 32, 15, 28, 39, 39, 42, 22, 33, 34, 3, 13, 3</p>

<p>This is one of our largest majors (and one of the largest majors at almost any university). Still, the class sizes are all below 50 with some considerably lower. The claim that some majors have lecture hall classes until their final year, then, is entirely incorrect.</p>

<p>Let me know if you have any further questions!</p>

<p>~Rob</p>

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<p>@OP Bing vs Stony- Personally as an Alumni of Bing. and presently working At Stony I would say do some research on Pre-meds for both schools going on to med school. I was a pre-med at B over 20 years ago and did not feel a clear pre-med track. Granted it was over 20 years ago but… SB is strong in the medical sciences and has a well respected med school. University presently has lots of endowments. I think the students at B are much brighter but…if pre-med is your interest a bulk of classes and research are specific for medical track. Good Luck!</p>

<p>I also agree with redsrule…SB is not a commuter school by no means. Most kids who live locally either go to Suffolk Community or to Binghamton…seriously!</p>

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<p>Red, </p>

<p>Look, evidently you failed reading comprehension. As I’ve said, my son goes to Binghamton. I been there several times visiting him on weekends. Why you might ask? Because that’s the only way I can see him because he doesn’t come home. In fact, none of his suite mates do either. In fact, nobody in his entire building goes home. </p>

<p>This weekend is an exception. I’m picking him up tomorrow because he has an interview here locally to do advanced cancer research in the summer in an internship capacity. In case you haven’t figured it out, that’s a SCIENCE internship. </p>

<p>FACT:</p>

<p>Stony Brook has a reputation as being a suitcase school. Maybe times have changed.</p>

<p>Read it here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/494885-students-unhappy-stony-brook-but-happy-binghamton-true.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/494885-students-unhappy-stony-brook-but-happy-binghamton-true.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>and here</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/494885-students-unhappy-stony-brook-but-happy-binghamton-true.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/494885-students-unhappy-stony-brook-but-happy-binghamton-true.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>and the New York Times ran an article a few years back stating that Stony Brook had that reputation as well. they called it a “legacy.”</p>

<p>Also, it seems a few years back, Stony Brook was in the top 10 or 11 in schools surveyed in the country for unhappy students consistently.</p>

<p>The rest of your post pertains to Cornell that is not even a topic on this thread. I dealt with your crap pertaining to Cornell here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-binghamton/1482758-overachieving-hs-students-going-binghamton-university-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-binghamton/1482758-overachieving-hs-students-going-binghamton-university-2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>We took at least half a dozen tours of Binghamton last year an the year before, and I never had a guide that misrepresented anything. Your posts, on the other, clearly show little knowledge of the current state of affairs at Binghamton to put it kindly.</p>

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<p>So you are a graduate of Binghamton working at Stony Brook? I didn’t think that was allowed. Oh, my . . . .</p>

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<p>Hey, you might be interested in this link showing the demographic breakdown of Stony Brook. It seems 32% of its students are from Suffolk County and 13% from Nassau County. That’s 45% from Long Island!!!</p>

<p>Add to that 27% from NYC and that’s 72%!!!.</p>

<p>Now we know why it is tough for SB to break out of the suitcase mold. Most everyone lives an hour from campus. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.stonybrook.edu/offires/students/fall2011/demographicprofile2011.pdf[/url]”>http://www.stonybrook.edu/offires/students/fall2011/demographicprofile2011.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Now for Binghamton, 22% are from Long Island and 19% from NYC. That’s 41%.</p>

<p>[Binghamton</a> University - Alumni Connect - September 2011 | University welcomes new and returning students](<a href=“Alumni Connect | Alumni Association | Binghamton University”>Alumni Connect | Alumni Association | Binghamton University)</p>

<p>Home for this 41% of students is three to five hours away.</p>

<p>Now we know the rest of the story.</p>

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<p>Red,</p>

<p>As you can tell by my posts, I do my research and so does our son.</p>

<p>There are tours available all the time and at different events like Admitted Students day. Once my son stayed with a friend of his who was going to Binghamton to get a first hand experience and we as parents toured the facility.Many times we passed Binghamton to look at other schools like Bucknell and Geneseo and we took the tour. We had different guides all the time and obtained different perspectives. We made it a point to meet with different people. My son made an appointment with an administrator and a person in involved with his intended major and these folks were very helpful. We visited the career office too. </p>

<p>If we are going to make a commitment to a school for four years and gobs of money, we do<br>
the research. We visited the career office on our own. We kicked the tires and looked under the hood.We knew exactly what to expect and it has worked out great.</p>

<p>Sure, there have been a few bumps. True with any school.</p>

<p>Evidently, with only one tour under your belt and the hit or miss drivel you post, you do not have a thorough understanding of the school. You should have taken more tours and done more research yourself but you blame Binghamton for all of your misinformation. </p>

<p>Grow up because the world owes you nothing, Binghamton included.</p>

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<p>@ Yippee - re 72% , This does not make them commuters though ( I know several students from Nassau county that dorm on campus- commuters live at home right?)- and it is 2 hours from NYC to StonyBrook. I am not too sure your stats are accurate nor current. Most students on SB campus live on campus or just off campus as in all universities. I live this evey day!!!
I did love Binghamton for the most part, but I wished I had instead chosen SB because I felt side tracked on the pre-med track @Bing.</p>

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<p>Redsrule: The majority of the classes you stated had no discussion sections are from the Psychology department - in fact, all of them, I believe. That actually makes some sense because the Psychology department runs their labs/discussions differently than other departments and someone who did not attend Binghamton may not know how things work in that department. In Psychology, you take a separate course that is a single credit hour as your lab/discussion. For instance, PSYC 111 is a large lecture hall class (the sections this fall will have 450 and 240 students, assuming they fill). This class is paired with PSYC 112 that complements PSYC 111. The class size in PSYC 112 is 25 students. This makes up the lab portion of the class. It’s offered as a separate class to allow our students more freedom in choosing what to take. They can take the lab component in a separate semester after they finish PSYC 111 if they so choose, although it is recommended that they are taken concurrently.</p>

<p>As I said, the discussion/labs are run differently between classes and between departments, but there is ALWAYS a lab/discussion component there.</p>

<p>~Rob</p>

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<p>Thank you for all the replies! They are VERY helpful!</p>

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<p>The Stats are from Stony Brook’s site for 2011 students. </p>

<p>I view a commuter school as defined as coming and going to school from home every day.</p>

<p>I don’t know if that’s the case or not at Stony Brook. I tend to doubt it.</p>

<p>A suitcase school is when a large number go home on the weekend. </p>

<p>Stony Brook has that reputation and that’s a problem for them and they need to address it. </p>

<p>I know a bunch of up-staters would consider the school if they did this because it does have a great rep. in the sciences and math.</p>

<p>Schools that provide a great student experience along with great academics will compete going forward. </p>

<p>Parents are tired of being treated like they should be honored to attend a school instead of being treated like an appreciated customer. Arrogance does not sell.</p>

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<p>Red,</p>

<p>The trouble with your posts is they contain as much misinformation as they do information.</p>

<p>Screw the printed printed pretty pictures of any school. They are a waste of trees.</p>

<p>You need to visit any schools of interest early and often with different purposes . Make the time. Otherwise, you may have set yourself up for four years of problems, most likely longer.</p>

<p>Students are very vulnerable at this time in their lives and many parents do not give the search process the attention it deserves. </p>

<p>If you don’t the groundwork, you are risking your child’s future.</p>

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<p>A great day today for my son who is in the sciences at Binghamton. According to QCstudent (see above), going to Bing for sciences is one of the “dumbest” decisions one could make.</p>

<p>Well, today my Binghamton son was invited to join a prestigious cancer research program as an intern for this summer. He will be working with PhD candidates. My son is a freshman.</p>

<p>Today, we are truly blessed to be so dumb as to choose Binghamton for the sciences.</p>

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<p>Side tracked - meaning the sciences @ B were hard core science as in research to define why the insectivores claws are curved ( this was actually my thesis as I attended grad school there too)- and not as much research in lets say cancer, alzheimers, lupus…ie medical related work. SB is very strong in this area. I also believe the faculty will better equip you for medical school. Once again I believe OP should check how many on pre-med track actually attend med school. Both campuses I would say are pretty similar as far as social settings. Yes more parties at B because there are more students who do not live locally.</p>

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<p>Hi
I am a new USA permanent resident and really wondering about choosing between Kent State University and Binghamton Uni please help meeee</p>

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<p>Yolie3000: We actually do have medical research going on at Binghamton. One of my friends, Sam, is a second-semester freshmen doing Parkinson’s research with a professor. She had the opportunity to do brain surgery on a rat two weeks ago in conjunction with that, and that’s all as a freshman.</p>

<p>~Rob</p>

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<p>MarjanghnotMarjanjh, Binghamton is half the size of Kent State.</p>

<p>Also, if you have family ties in or near NYC, it may be more comfortable for you to be at Binghamton, 3 hours from NYC.</p>