PhD programs in Virology/Microbiology/Immunology

<p>Hi, everyone</p>

<p>I will be applying to PhD programs for the next fall cycle. After working with molecular virology for a while, I decided to apply to PhD programs in Virology (or Micro programs with a virologists' community), which have a strong background in immunology. I'm particularly interested in studying RNA viruses (biology/immunity/virus-host interactions/pathogenesis). Having also people working in systems biology in virus-host interactions, regulatory and immune circuits, animal and disease models, etc... would be a plus</p>

<p>I've been searching the internet for potential universities to apply to and I came up with the following list so far (I will be selecting some of them to apply to):</p>

<p>Rockefeller U
Mount Sinai Sch of Med
UCSF
U Wash, Seattle
Emory U
UMD, College Park
U Wisc, Madison</p>

<p>Could you all suggest others university which might be a good match for what I'm looking for?</p>

<p>I'd also like to hear your opinions about the MIT Microbiology PhD program. MIT doesn't seem to have a background in immunology (i'm not sure, though), but i really like the program. Some professors (like Hidde Ploegh, among others) have exciting research areas going on that i'm interested to work with.</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>Harvard is strong in Virology as is University of Pennsylvania. On your list Rockefeller is probably the top school in virology.</p>

<p>[Immunology</a> / Infectious Disease - Project - Graduate Schools - Education - US News](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/infectious-disease]Immunology”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/infectious-disease) – not that the specific order matters that much (insert blah blah ‘rankings are bad’ CC forum discussion) - but there are some schools on there that you didn’t list, like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Penn,WUSTL, etc. Also -(ironic ranking debate)- Midwest Dad - why would you say that Rock is above UCSF?</p>

<p>MIT does not have many faculty working on immunology, but if you are interested in the research of the faculty who do, I would suggest checking out the program, as MIT has a fantastic research environment. I assume education in the Microbiology program is strong, as well, since the Biology program at MIT is very highly regarded.</p>

<p>I would not come to MIT if your interest is in immunology. If you are interested in microbiology there is cool stuff going on. Or in immune response types of things (Dennis Kim, Jeruoen Saeij).</p>

<p>In answer to LAC operon, I didn’t include UCSF because I am wary of financial problems at public universities in general and the UC in particular. UCSF is a great school, and I am aware that graduate funding is different than undergraduate, but financial concerns in the short term should be taken into consideration. Also, I was raised in NY and therefore probably tilt toward the east coast (although my D is at Stanford).</p>

<p>Out of curiosity Midwest dad, what role would you expect state funding to play in graduate school in the sciences? I can think of a few areas that might be hurt by a deficiency in state funds eg library offerings of journals, cost to utilize cores, seed funding to hire new faculty.</p>

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<p>Sorry, I forgot to mention that I’ve already looked at some of those well-renowned university. However, Stanford, Harvard, Penn, WUSTL and Duke don’t feel like a good fit for me (if it’s even possible). I’d appreciate any information about some “hidden jewelry” departments or programs.</p>

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<p>MIT doesn’t have many options to work in immunology, but I do think it has a unique research environment. I’m more interested in viral immune response. So, I’m going to check out the program. MIT wasn’t one of my first choices, but since I had a weird dream about what the program has to offer, I can’t make up my mind if I should or should not apply to.</p>

<p>I found the Yale BBS (Micro track) program really strong. However, I read in others threads it’s not worth to go to Yale BBS, unless you are accepted in the Immunology track. I was wondering if that is true?</p>

<p>Also, anybody knows if Yale BBS allows students rotate through labs from a different track?</p>

<p>“don’t feel like a good fit for me” – I am worried that you might be writing off schools too soon. Have you visited each one of these school’s grad depts (visiting when applying for undergrad isn’t the same thing)? Before interviews, I was totally jazzed about some schools - thinking they were the perfect fit, ohmygosh i’m going to love it, but then after the interview, realized that the school was totally not for me. Other schools that I was a bit wary about, I found out that I loved them. So - careful about judging “fit” before interviewing there. At this point, I would judge “fit” (urgh, I hate that word) by:
do they have numerous faculty (3+) that I would want to rotate with? (most important).
Does the program description fit what I want (for example, if you want a medical focus, is the program basic science? (or vice-versa) perhaps this isn’t the program for you. Or does it offer the types of classes I am looking for?)
Are they in an area of the country I may possible live in (be very generous with this - you never know, you could fall in love with a new part of the country. However, if you know there’s no way in heck you would move to ____, probably best not to apply). </p>

<p>Also - apply to MIT. If it’s really hard to decide if you should apply or not, apply and then later either before (if you really know that you don’t want to go) or after (if you are still unsure) the interview, decline their offer. You may love a school you were unsure about or you may not. The effort to apply (I know, it’s a pain, expensive and a long process) is nothing compared to what you’re in for once you get to grad school - so best not lament not applying to a school you realize too late would have been a great program. At least that’s my opinion on the issue - I’m sure others will disagree. </p>

<p>Also - what’s with all this “hidden jewel” stuff cropping up on CC? Grad school is -to some degree - about the name/networking/connections/etc. - you want your program to be recognized, respected, and known to be great. Otherwise, why are you slaving away for 6ish years in an unknown program? In grad school, if you program is great- it’s not a hidden jewel. It’s just a jewel. </p>

<p>TO answer belevitt, although graduate education in the sciences is less vulnerable to funding issues on the state level than other departments, they are not immune. UCSF has been hit by repeated rounds of funding cuts, which has an impact on the campus as a whole. A flagship research school like UCSF will weather the storms, but in my opinion this is a valid concern. Even though this downturn may be gone in a few years, it may take considerable time for States to significantly increase their allocations to Higher Education. The following link will lead you to a discussion of the issues at UCSF. </p>

<p>[UCSF</a> to Focus on Mission to Adjust to New Fiscal Realities, Chancellor Says (video) - UCSF Today](<a href=“http://today.ucsf.edu/stories/ucsf-2011-a-focus-on-operational-excellence/]UCSF”>http://today.ucsf.edu/stories/ucsf-2011-a-focus-on-operational-excellence/)</p>

<p>Excuse me? The only negative I have perceived from funding issues is the removal of UCSF’s merit-based scholarships, a very unperturbing loss. Otherwise, I am completely sheltered from UCSF’s financial sacrifices. Anybody here can tell you that UCSF has taken the measures to ensure that resources are plentiful for all current and near-future students, such that I doubt we’ll feel any additional impact from the school’s economic woes.</p>

<p>Yeah I’m going to echo krypton, UCSF has increased graduate stipends by $2000 this year. Financial crisis be damned!</p>

<p>I will also say that researchers at UCSF have barely felt an impact from the CA budget crisis. The vast majority of funding comes from the federal level, NIH, NSF, etc, so research funding is unaffected by the shenanigans in Sacramento. I can personally attest to the negligible impact on research operations during this past year. The budget cuts mostly affected administrative/janitorial/service positions in the form of furloughs. UCSF’s research capacity was undiminished throughout this time. The worst effect was that our IT guy would be absent a few days a month…hardly anything to abandon ship over.</p>

<p>UCSF is unique among the UC’s in that the vast majority of its operational funding (not research grants) is funded by money from the hospital. I think it’s somewhere around 90%. A small portion of funding is from the state; in contrast, other UC campuses are much more dependent on state money.</p>

<p>From a student perspective, I’d have to say you are blissfully unaware of a budget crisis. As I mentioned, stipends are up and research funding keeps rolling in. CA’s huge stem cell initiative, the largest in the country, has millions of dollars already secured by prop 71 so that funding will not be threatened. Faculty are not getting laid off, hiring committees are still active and looking, all those new buildings are going up at Parnassus and Mission Bay, so the research side of things is doing fine!</p>

<p>I won’t go into rankings because that’s a lost cause when it comes to graduate programs - too many personal factors and preferences to consider. I will say that UCSF is a regarded among peers (PIs I met during interviews) as a top school. There are many top schools, which others have already mentioned here. No use ranking them - perhaps consider them in tiers. Even within a top school, you can end up with a mediocre PI…in which case your graduate education will not be as great as someone at a lower tier school with a great PI, lots of publications, etc. The general thinking is that a top school should have more uniformly great PIs, but there are of course hidden jewels (sorry, couldn’t help it :o) at lower tier schools. I wouldn’t apply to a school just to go jewel mining though - you may find that some big name jewel PI at these schools is a real jerk, or that you find out that you prefer a different colored gem, or that the jewels are lured away to another research mine. I’ll stop before I take this metaphor too far.</p>

<p>Anyway, I think you should still consider MIT. They have exceptional jewe–uh, faculty and even though you might not be working in whatever specific interest you have right now, you will get a great foundation, connections, etc to enable you to postdoc in a lab more precisely aligned with your interest. And I will warn you that your interests will most likely change very drastically once you rotate, take classes, talk to PIs, really dive into the field (even during your intervews!). You’ll find that many PIs have deviated quite a bit from what they’ve worked on as graduate students. So keep an open mind!</p>

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<p>As an international applicant, I don’t have much a choice. So, I used the criteria you’ve suggested (and others related) in my decisions. Maybe, after been nominated for a spot, I wiil be able to visit the university before accepting the offer.</p>

<p>To kryptonsa36 and 5600bp</p>

<p>It’s good to hear about UCSF’ current situation and university’s commitment in securing resources for current and future students (even though it’s still tough for an international student to get in)</p>