Physics first-year courseload?

Hi guys!

I’m an incoming first-year most likely majoring in physics and have a few questions.

  1. How manageable is taking Honors physics, Honors calc IBL, and a HUM your first year?
  2. What is your physics placement (130’s vs. 140’s) based on? AP scores? High school course work?
  3. What core HUM and SOSC classes would you recommend? I want to challenge myself appropriately but don’t want to be dying with two hard honors classes and intensive readings every night and end up with miserable grades.
  4. How generously/harshly are physics exams curved?

Thanks! :slight_smile:

  1. Not easily. Doable. Depends on how much you already know, how smart you are, and how much you are willing to work. I survived a similar courseload (Honors CS + Honors Calc) with intensive readings (400 pages a week)
  2. AP scores, I think. I was placed into it with a 5 in Physics C Mechanics. Didn’t take E&M or any relevant placement test.
  3. Anything but language and the human, mind, and SSI (though the first quarter of SSI is very good apparently)
  4. No clue, but not horrible. Hard to get an A, hard to fail.

Re #2:

http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/thecollege/physics/

Entering students will be given a placement for either PHYS 13100 Mechanics or PHYS 14100 Honors Mechanics based on their mathematics and physics background. Either course is appropriate for students planning to major (or minor) in physics.

Thanks for the reply @HydeSnark ! If you don’t mind me asking, which HUM did you take?

In terms of physics/calc knowledge I got 5s on the two AP C tests and have done some multivar/dif eq work for senior math, but have never done rigorous proofs…The closest I came to proving things was our multi/DE teacher telling us small proofs we might need to know/memorize and then having one of those as an exam question, but they were never long or complicated and we never had to prove anything we’d never seen before.

For HUM/SOSC sequences, why are those courses seemingly the least liked? For each course, there seems to be a divide been people who really liked it and people that absolutely hated it…
Is there a HUM that is almost universally liked and thought of as worthwhile by most people (no matter their major)?

@ihs76 Thank you! I’ll have to talk with my advisor during o-week.

Readings in World Lit. It was okay. A lot of reading, not as philosophical as some of the other ones, but there were definitely some great stuff in there.

You’ll get into Honors Physics.

Everyone has an opinion on hum and sosc. Most people have different opinions. The “classic” hums are phil per and hbc.

People tend to enjoy the more philosophical and (reputedly) rigorous HUMs, though that might also be a matter the students who self-select into those courses. The less philosophical HUMs have a reputation for being like high school English class and attract students who are, well, not interested in HUM.

Readings in PhilPer, HBC, and the philosophical portion of Greek Thought & Literature (GTL) are shorter than reading sin literature-focused courses because philosophical readings are more dense. You can spend a good hour reading through 10-20 pages of Plato or Kant very closely, whereas you might be expected to read narrative fiction much more efficiently.

At the end of the day, it’s important to remember that the HUM you pick and the work that accompanies will not determine your grade. It’s more a matter of you individually rise to the challenge and (perhaps moreso) the style and whims of your professor. Read professor evaluations closely before selecting classes, and come to your O-Week adviser meeting prepared with back up course sections/professors in case your desired sections are full.

@adca72 My son is a 3rd year and took those exact courses as a 1st year plus an additional physics elective each quarter. He found it very manageable (for the record, I thought he was crazy for taking four classes each quarter). As for question #3, he took HUM his first year and SOSC his second year to avoid the issue you are asking a out. I’m not sure how common this is, but many of his math / physics friends seem to be spreading out their core classes in a similar manner. The downside to this is that, given his 3rd year classes, he will still have a few core classes to take as a 4th year, which doesn’t seem to bother him.

The curve depends on which level of physics you choose. There is no curve in most 130s classes because it’s all pretty straight forward while there is a fairly generous curve for the 140s.

I don’t know why HydeSnark advised against taking Mind or SSI for sosc as those are the two most frequently taken by hard science majors (they’re “easier” and less philosophical; Mind is essentially psychology).

I’m a physics major and I took Reading Cultures for HUM and found it to be both super easy and really interesting. Also if I ever didn’t have time to do the reading I could still find ways to participate in the discussions. I took Power for sosc which isn’t usually advised because it’s more difficult and heavy on the reading, but it’s on a topic I find interesting and my friend loved it so that’s why that happened. Was worth it.

According to HydeSnark, you will be judged when you take an easier course. I don’t know if the same apply to a Math major who takes Regular Analysis instead of Honors Analysis.

You will get judged by a lot of students if you take easier courses for the purposes of getting better grades and only for getting better grades. It isn’t like Analysis vs Accelerated Analysis (hard vs ludicrously hard); it’s the difference between discussions and lots of reading and non discussions and a very non-traditional sosc and hum experience.

Personally I think it isn’t the end of the world if you take mind or language and the human, but the core is the way it was for a reason and you should at least do a lot of readings and talk about them.

Thanks for all the responses guys! @HydeSnark @tawsch @ramboacid Do you know which of the HUM and SOSC sections are the most discussion based and which not so much? I’m really interested in having a good discussion class because that’s one thing that we almost never did in high school English classes --it was mostly us reading a bunch of “classics” and the teacher talking and explaining stuff about it, and even when she did ask questions the entire class would usually either not be paying attention, would be completely lost and have no earthly idea what we were talking about, or just not want to answer.

@GraniteStateMom That’s good to hear! I was scared that taking 4 classes in a quarter would be super difficult, but then again I’ve heard things from “taking 4 is way harder than 3” to “taking 3 I had too much free time…now I always take 4”. If you don’t mind me asking, which HUM and SOSC did your S take? Did he enjoy them?

@adca72

Here’s an overview of the different Hum options. Take it with a grain of salt, I haven’t taken all of them.

Hum ------------------

Readings in World Lit:
Format - discussion, twice a week
I took this. You read a lot of literature and it’ll be like the classes you took in high school except everyone is way smarter and you read more and faster. I liked it but I thought a lot of people who took it tended to see it as a lighter hum because it doesn’t focus on philosophy, so more people didn’t do the readings than I would have liked. Still, I enjoyed my professors and the literature, I just didn’t like that a large chunk of the class was clearly bs-ing everything and didn’t do the readings. It isn’t really intense in any way, you just read a ton of literature and talk about it. It was enjoyable but I wish I took something else, to be honest.

Philosophical Perspectives (Phil Per):
Format - discussion, twice a week
You read a lot of philosophy. One of the very traditional hums. Large (very large) concentration of that kids, people who read one thing by Kierkegaard in high school and now think they’re the second coming of Plato. If Readings in World Lit’s fault is that it attracts people who don’t take it seriously enough, Phil Per sometimes attracts people who take it way too seriously. Still, I have heard great things and a lot of people love it, if they like reading/thinking about philosophy.

Greece and Rome:
Format - discussion, twice a week
Honestly, I don’t know anyone who took this

Human Being and Citizen (HBC):
Format - discussion, twice a week
This is the other very traditional hum. Like Phil Per you read a lot of philosophy, but you read literature too (though it looks at the literature from a philosophical perspective, it isn’t purely interpretive). It attracts that kids but not as many as phil per. Good class, don’t know anyone who didn’t like it.

Intro to the Humanities:
Doesn’t seem to be offered this year :frowning: was always super small anyways, only had one section last year

Reading Cultures:
Format - discussion, twice a week
You read literature but you read really, really, really far into it and the questions are very interpretive instead of philosophical. Like high school but more intense interpretation. Some people think this is the class where you focus on non-western works to balance out the others - but this is not the primary focus, although it does read more non-western works than others.

Media Aesthetics:
Format - discussion, twice a week
The really trippy hum. Go off the walls crazy with interpretation of anything from movies to books to video games to blank pieces of paper (I don’t know if they actually analyze blank pieces of paper but it wouldn’t surprise me). Not an easy hum, despite what some people (who didn’t take it) say. Many people really love it. Older alumni complain it’s untraditional but it’s actually surprisingly traditional, your texts just aren’t. If you go into it thinking that analyzing movies is easier than literature, you are going to be proven wrong.

Language and the Human:
Format - discussion once a week, lecture (often skipped) once a week
The black sheep of hums. Your readings are a fraction of the size of the other ones and it doesn’t really go into the humanities much, it’s mostly scientific. Take this if you really want that, but imo you’re going to be missing out - intro to ling is much better and taking hum is an experience you shouldn’t miss.


Most people save sosc for their second year (including me, so I’m taking self next year) but here is a shorter breakdown.

Mind is the one with the lecture and discussion. It is apparently super low workload, like only a few essays a quarter, and it’s just a very, very non in depth bio class. Again, take if you’re really interested in it but taking sosc is an experience.

Social Science Inquiry (SSI) is different too, but less than mind. It has two discussions a week. It’s basically a non in depth stats class, though the first quarter focuses more on experiments and how we know things. Still, you aren’t going to be reading as much and it basically becomes a math class after a while. My recommendation is to take a stats class if you want to learn stats.

The three big soscs where you’re going to be reading a lot of social science is Self, Power, and Classics, both of which are discussions that meet twice a week.

Self looks at the social science of society and culture and how modern society (and our conception of it) is organized and was developed.

Power looks at political theorists and theories on how government is organized and was developed.

There’s a lot of overlap but there’s a difference in perspective.

Classics is a mix of both with two key differences: you go in order (like St. John’s Great Books curriculum) and you read whole books instead of excerpts.

That’s funny – after I relayed your previous comments about Language and the Human to my daughter, she decided that a combination of Reading Cultures and Intro to Linguistics would give her the best of both worlds. Now she’s really excited about her Fall schedule. Hope it all works out!

Intro to ling is really fun and a great class! Good choice