<p>you guys are pretty harsh. "whatever you choose to do, he has to be punished for this." Nice fire and brimstone judgement there.</p>
<p>I think you should talk to him seriously and have ur brother talk to him. If he still refuses that's the time for action.</p>
<p>everyone deserves a second chance. even pieces of crap.</p>
<p>Whatever you decide to do, he deserves what's coming to him. Maybe you could contact the friend he plagiarized from? I'm taking classes at a local college and at that level, plagairism is a SERIOUS offence and will result in a zero or be asked to leave the class. I'd say to not let him get away with it but even if he does, he will not make it though college.</p>
<p>I agree with Vicky. At the college where I used to teach, plagiarism meant an automatic "F" for the class. It also could lead to expulsion.</p>
<p>This might sound harsh, but I'm surprised that some people are defending this person. This person is in grade 12, and really, by now, should know better. We're not talking about an elementary, or even a junior high student that made an honest mistake (ie. copying a few sentences and/or forgetting to cite their sources). We're talking about a grade 12 student who, according to the original poster, borrowed another student's essay, and copied paragraphs directly from it.</p>
<p>In my opinion, it'd be better for the student to deal with this now, while he is still in high school. As Northstarmom said, this kind of behaviour in college could lead to expulsion.</p>
<p>The only reason that he shouldn't tell is that being called a snitch in high school is tough.</p>
<p>Is it just me who feels sorry for the plagiarizer? Perhaps its different for the 'better' students but my friends and I share answers all the time in class. Heck, if I didn't copy my friends' homeworks, I wouldn't even get a C in any class and my friends wouldn't have passed their tests if they didn't copy my answers. In fact, everyone in all of my classes copy each others' works. Well I don't have any Ap or whatsoever so I wouldn't know the ethos of the more dedicated students. But while plagiarizig is wrong, its just a common thing and happens everywhere in my school that it seems to be a nature thing to do now. Of course copying homework answers etc are somewhat different from this but to ruin a gy's life for stealing some words seems to be too harsh to me.</p>
<p>i think it's really simple. Action: plagiarized essay Reaction: gets expelled or suspended and rejected from college.
YOu have to learn the simple fact that your actions if negative might bring a negative consequence. Really simple. Also i think people who cheat, don't DESERVE to get into college.They must learn the action-reaction thing soon. I personally despise plagiarizers and they don't deserve to get into college at all.</p>
<p>Vehement,
Has it occurred to you then that perhaps you need to:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Get a tutor. In my area that tends to be how the higher ranked students do well in class.</p></li>
<li><p>Develop better study habits. You could do this by getting study skills help through a professional or by talking to your teacher or analyzing and changing your current habits.</p></li>
<li><p>Switch to easier courses.</p></li>
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<p>And not everyone cheats, including not everyone who is struggling to maintain a "B" average. People who want to cheat or do other unethical things can always find excuses to do so.</p>
<p>I don't feel sorry for the plagiarizer. Most students I know who had excellent college essays spent weeks writing and revising. Those great essays aren't written easily. I feel very sorry for the student whose hard work is being stolen. What makes the difference between good writers and those who are bad/mediocre usually is the time spent writing and revising.</p>
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<li>Get a tutor. In my area that tends to be how the higher ranked students do well in class.</li>
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<p>Tht might be a good idea since I really do seem to need someone to enforce me to do my work...</p>
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<li>Develop better study habits. You could do this by getting study skills help through a professional or by talking to your teacher or analyzing and changing your current habits.</li>
</ol>
<p>Tried and failed...just can't bare to dedicate myself to do anything in class...</p>
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<li>Switch to easier courses.</li>
</ol>
<p>My excuses have always been that the classes are too easy thus I don't do my homework...I wouldn't really want to drop out from even college prep classes....</p>
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I don't feel sorry for the plagiarizer. Most students I know who had excellent college essays spent weeks writing and revising. Those great essays aren't written easily. I feel very sorry for the student whose hard work is being stolen. What makes the difference between good writers and those who are bad/mediocre usually is the time spent writing and revising.
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<p>yes while that is wrong, i think he does not need to have his life ruined just for doing this once...</p>
<p>vehement, i hope you are not saying that a first-time murderer should be excused because "he does not need to have his life ruined just for doing this once...". it's a serious offence. cheating is a serious offence. it affects everyone.
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its just a common thing and happens everywhere in my school that it seems to be a nature thing to do now.
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i'm sorry, but just because an action is ubiquitous doesn't make it any more moral.
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...but to ruin a gy's life for stealing some words seems to be too harsh to me...
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it appears he could have stolen the whole essay.</p>
<p>as others were saying, the plagarizer should be made to know that his actions were immoral. then tell the teacher.</p>
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i think he does not need to have his life ruined just for doing this once...
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<p>We have no reason to assume that this was a one-time offense, and human nature certainly suggests otherwise.</p>
<p>Cheating is wrong. That you and your friends do it does not make it less so.</p>
<p>how can you compare a murderer to some kid who stole someone's essay?</p>
<p>its like would you give a death penalty to a guy who stole from walmart?</p>
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We have no reason to assume that this was a one-time offense
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<p>we shouldn't always assume the worst of everything should we?</p>
<p>His life won't be ruined if he's held accountable for plagiarizing. There are worse things than getting a 0 on an assignment or even getting a bad character reference from one's GC on one's college app.</p>
<p>Not if it could mean a possible suspension..</p>
<p>Perhaps he should have thought of that before? Again, this guy has been in school for 12 years. He should know better by now.</p>
<p>Either way, the consequences in high school are going to be less severe than in college.</p>
<p>How do we know he DIDN'T kill this guy, and then steal his paper? Because if that's the case, I think he SHOULD be expelled, or at least suspended for a few days.</p>
<p>this is why anoynomous emails are nice</p>
<p>of course you may have screwed yourself over with that little comment bc he'll know it was you if he gets caught - unless the teacher is gracious enough to say he recognized the similarities himself. No matter how this situation it is sad how many pathetic 4.0's have to copy homework and do other rediculus deeds to achieve their high grades to only be accepted by superior unis. Quite sad when you think about it.</p>
<p>"No matter how this situation it is sad how many pathetic 4.0's have to copy homework and do other rediculus deeds to achieve their high grades to only be accepted by superior unis. "</p>
<p>They don't have to do those things. They have choices. </p>
<p>That's like saying, "It's sad how many pathetic middle class people need to steal and do other ridiculous deeds in order to buy a Lexus."</p>