Please Help Me Decide

So I have a troubling issue…

I was accepted into NEOUCOM [aka NEOMED] and Yale University.

The undergrad school for NEOMED I hate, and I had applied to Yale and have been trying to move on because I thought I would’ve been rejected.

We received the Financial Aid Award Letter from the undergrad school or NEOMED and will need over $15,000 in loans for a single year.
I’m a first generation college student, so my family did not realize we needed to fill out the CSS Profile for Yale. So Now it is 4/2/2016…

I have one financial aid package for the NEOMED undergrad, but now fear I won’t even receive my Yale Financial aid package in time for the dreaded May 1st…

PLEASE HELP ME!!!

It has any hold on the matter… the Neomed is an accelerated 6 yr BSMD program.

You need to call Yale’s fin aid office and find out what to do, in other words, if it is too late to fill out CSS Profile. You say your “hate” the other program. Yale’s fin aid is among the most generous in the country. Have you run a net price calc? Of course it is NOT an official offer but it will give you an estimate.

Call Yale’s financial aid office and email your admission rep now (yes, now, on a Saturday) - look at the person’s name who signed off on your letter.
Explain this: admitted, first generation, sent fafsa, had no idea about css profile, completely panicked when realized admitted with no financial aid due to lot filling out the right documents.
For a first gen kid, Yale will be life-changing.
(and if you’re meant to go to Med school, Yale will help you get there… But it’ll also show you the thousands other paths out there.)
So: NOW.

I’m emailing my financial aid officer now. I’ll be filling out the CSS profile today. Their office is closed.
Does anyone think I should commit to Yale on May 1st even if I don’t have the financial aid award yet?
The net price calculator said around $3,000 to $6,000. Is that good?

Their office of Financial aid is closed until Monday at 8:30 am.

My parents think I should go for the NEOMED because it guarantees a medical seat at NEOMED.

(I’m stressing so hard right now.)

Thank you guys for your help.

ANYMORE IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS ARE SUPER HELPFUL!!

I just check o their website as well, there is no penalty for missing the deadline, and they will not reduce any potential financial aid package because of this. They just mention the deadline because I may not have the financial aid package when May 1st comes rolling around…

Of course it’s closed when you call, but email is on. The point is to EMAIL NOW.
Title: Urgent, admitted first gen didn’t know CSS
(And call on Monday 9 am EST (203) 432-9316 )
EMAIL YOUR REP NOW.
To find that person, look at your admission letter and email whoever signed (could be Ms. Westphal for instance) AND look up that person’s name and respect this format carefully:

Your full name
Your high school’s full name and location (city or town, state or province, and country if outside the USA)
Your telephone number
Your Yale application ID number (9xxxxxxxx), if applicable

Yale is 10000 times better than your local school that leads to NEOMED. It’s absolutely not comparable. (I know the program. It’s good. But it’s nothing like Yale. And the undergrad school is “hard to bear” due to environment etc, for the top students who were admitted for neomed.)
Also, Yale will be much cheaper.
You have till May 1st to decide. Get this straightened out right away.

If the person who signed my letter, and the person that is my admissions representative are different people…
[One is the university director of financial aid–> signed letter Caesar T. Storlazzi OTHER is James Kim]
I will email James Kim first because I don’t want to be a bother to the director of financial aid.
I’m sending the email now to James Kim.


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was accepted into NEOUCOM [aka NEOMED] and Yale University.

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The undergrad school for NEOMED I hate, and I had applied to Yale and have been trying to move on because I thought I would’ve been rejected.

We received the Financial Aid Award Letter from the undergrad school or NEOMED and will need over $15,000 in loans for a single year.
I’m a first generation college student, so my family did not realize we needed to fill out the CSS Profile for Yale. So Now it is 4/2/2016…

[aB][asize=4][acolor=#008000]Decision: Accepted [/color][/size]**

Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): [1780-(I sent the ACT score)]
ACT (breakdown): 32 composite
SAT II: N/A
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 4.0
Weighted GPA: 4.31
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): 2/50
AP (place score in parenthesis): N/A
IB (place score in parenthesis): N/A
Senior Year Course Load: Completely dual enrollment classes with a local college.
Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): I don’t believe I have any major awards.

Subjective:

Extracurriculars (place leadership in parenthesis):
Chess/Game Club (Member),
Student Government/Council (Secretary),
Homecoming Committee (President),
Model UN (Vice President),
School Yearbook (President),
Key Club (Member)
Member of a Apprenticeship Mentorship Program
Founded the NEOUCOM branch at my school

Job/Work Experience: N/A

Volunteer/Community service:
150+ hours at the Humane Society
60+ hours as an office aid
20 hours at two different nursing homes
10 hours with habitat for humanity
Summer Activities:
I didn’t really do anything…
Essays (rating 1-10, details):
I would like to say my essays were around 8-9’s because I can honestly admit I had nobody else proofread or
check them before I turned in my application. However, I did talk about medical injustices I’ve seen. I also talked
about how the week before I turned in my application I had been threatened with a weapon in my neighborhood. If I
may quote myself in what I had said in my essay, I said something along the lines of “Hopefully this works,
because I must be doing something in my life right.”

Recommendations (rating 1-10, details):

Teacher Rec #1:English Professor–9?–He liked me as a student, and I got an “A” in his class.
Teacher Rec #2:Physics Professor–8?-- I excelled in his class, and he genuinely knew me as a person.
Counselor Rec:Hmm–5-7?-- I honestly don’t know if she even knew my name when I asked her for a recommendation.
Additional Rec: None?

Interview: It was really amazing!! We had met at a Starbucks, and talked for a few hours! It was as though I as talking
to an old friend of mine!

Other

Applied for Financial Aid?: Of course! School is expensive!
Intended Major: History/Math (I’ll be completing my pre-med requirements as well)
State (if domestic applicant): OHIO!!!
Country (if international applicant): -USA-
School Type: I would say that it is a normal school, but student start taking PSEO classes their first semester so that
we can graduate with an Associate’s degree.

Ethnicity: White
Gender: Female
Income Bracket: Around $70,000-ish
Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): First generation college student, I graduate HS with a dual Associate’s
degree in General Science and General Arts if that matters? I also
explained in my interview how I’m a licensed cake decorator and Ham
Radio Operator?

Reflection

Strengths: My interview? She seemed to enjoy the interview. My grades and my hooks perhaps? Maybe the essay.
Weaknesses: Oh man, where do I start? Test scores for one!
Why you think you were accepted/waitlisted/rejected:
Honestly, I have no idea. A lot of the people on threads like these are much better than me in all aspects of
life…except volunteering with dogs. I love dogs… Perhaps that compassion helped?

Where else were you accepted/waitlisted/rejected:

Accepted: NEOUCOM [NEOMED]- B.S./M.D. PROGRAM
Waynesburg University,
The Ohio State University-Main campus,
Kent State University,
University of Akron,
LaRoche College,
Lake Erie College,
Youngstown State University,
Cleveland State University,
Ursuline College,
Hiram College

Waitlisted: Case Western Reserve University [My parents were like…“Really?”]

Rejected: Nowhere… I didn’t apply to any really major school because I didn’t expect to get in…

General Comments : Apply to as many places as you can if you are unsure. I had originally applied to this school as part of a bet with myself. My principal had told me I would never go very far, and let’s just say I have I have a stubborn streak a mile wide. But now, I get to decide between a guaranteed seat in medical school or an ivy league college!
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF! EVERYONE IS UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAYS!

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congrats on your acceptances.

You have a tough decision. Is Waynesburg the BS/MD school?

Normally, this could be a no-brainer…go to Yale. But, you’re premed with no hook.

But…what if you get weeded out and end up with a GPA that won’t get you into med school? Will you be ok with that? Can you imagine yourself being able to move on to another career?

As for your Yale aid? Do you have a simple situation? Both parents married to each other?

Does either parent own a business or take business deductions?

Do they own properties other than their home?

If the financial situation is simple, the the Yale NPC should be accurate.

The fact is that Yale will have TONS more support for him/her than Waynesburg. More of everything. Starting with a summer scholar program that ensures they know what to do if something goes wrong, bridge any gap in knowledge and methodology, make friends, and hit the ground running when school starts. Once in, the school does absolutely everything in their power to help them graduate. And if Med school doesnt pan out, a Yale degree makes the difference - as we all know, where you go to college makes no difference in outcome… EXCEPT (and which HUGE except) for first gen and/or lower-income and/or URM kids - the advantage multiplies for kids who are two or three of those. It is life changing for them.
They change environments. They’re one among many incredible kids. They no longer stick out or feel an anomaly, they fit in and can’t believe all the amazing people they meet. They gain confidence. The constraints (financial but also mental barriers) disappear and what freedoms upper middle class kids take for granted now also become theirs - and it’s exhilarating, liberating, and incredible to realize who you can become. Nothing is off limits or unthinkable. They get social and cultural capital without even realizing it. They get invited to meet with executives and intellectual luminaries. They’re friends with people who take them on a jet for Spring Break and can introduce them to their future business angel. If they find a cool health internship and it’s in NYC and unpaid, Yale gives a stipend to cover costs.
It’s pretty hard to overstate how life-changing Yale is for a smart first gen/low income kid, be they from rural Montana or the rust belt or a DC ghetto.

  • cherry on the cake, Yale would cost 1/3 of the alternative! -

It isn’t through Waynesburg University.
The NEOUCOM thing is through Youngstown State University, and during my interview for the BSMD program, police sirens went off.

As a Female, I would like to be in a safer neighborhood. Right now, the area in Ohio was known as little 8-mile, and I’ve already been in too many life threatening situations.

I wouldn’t say that I’m a die hard pre-med. I’ve always wanted to work for the CDC, my parents always told me I would have to be a doctor or that to happen.

@MYOS1634
How do you know so much about Yale? Did they have an information session near you?

Thank you guys for all of your help! I really appreciate it!
Please, just keep sending opinions!!

@mom2collegekids
Thank you for all of your help as well!
I used the Net price calculator and my EFC was around $2,500!
I think that is good?

Yes, it’s very good. It means they’ll cover everything except plane tickets to go there and back, and personal expenses. By everything I mean your tuition, room, board, books.

YSU is even worse than Waynesburg (although I like the penguin mascot.) It’s actually the school I was thinking of at first when I said it was “hard” (not academically).

This isn’t information session material. :slight_smile:

Actually, I think that to work at the CDC, the best path is MSTP or MD/PHD. You can be a microbiologist, an epidemiologist (especially!!), and various other positions.
(Neomed’s main goal is to train primary care physicians, especially in family medicine, not researchers; and they should be dedicated to Northeast Ohio… not the CDC. It’s a good med school but not what you’re looking for if your goal is the CDC. In addition, if you change your mind about being a primary care physician, you’re allowed to apply to Neomed from Yale, you know?)

Keep us updated with the reply from Yale and anything else.

That’s wonderful! I won’t need a plane ticket because my dad works with a trucking company that goes to New Haven each week!
Forgive me for being ignorant, but what is MSTP?

https://www.nigms.nih.gov/Training/InstPredoc/Pages/PredocOverview-MSTP.aspx

:slight_smile:

BUT in order for that to be your costs… you need to get permission for the late filing of CSS profile. I really, really hope they’ll allow you to do that and I kinda worry. :-S :((

Thanks for the link!
On one of their financial aid websites, it states that there is no penalty for filing it late. It specifically states that funds are not on a first-come first-serve basis. It also states that it will not reduce my financial aid package. It just warns on the site to have it done by the deadline because it may take so long that I won’t be able to view my financial aid until after decision day.

Hm, it’s true Yale has sufficient funds not to do it first-come/first-served, but they need to know of the issue because it’s unusual. Also, they may be able to give you an estimate. Finally, it may help sway your parents!
But since Neomed would require 15K in loans per year, you KNOW that Yale will be cheaper since you won’t have loans at all. (yup, zero loans. You WILL have to work through work study but you should be able to make $10-15 an hour on campus as a freshman, and if you get specialized skills or work for a professor, you can earn more per hour.)

@MYOS1634
Thank you for all of your help!!!
Think they would have any need for a certified cake decorator? lol

Anyways, I will post to this thread when they get back to me about the financial aid!!

@MYOS1634
@mom2collegekids
My regional representative already got back with me. He said that there will be no penalty of the aid, and that when they receive the documents, they will try to send out the letters ASAP!
This is wonderful news!

You guys are wonderful people!!

Congrats @SantiagoAlverez