PLEASE help me vouch for Michigan

<p>I want to go to UMich, my second choice. (I probably won't get into Duke, my first choice)</p>

<p>My parents WERE fine with me choosing UMich over Notre Dame, WashU, and BC honors.</p>

<p>Then my mom calls me saying how she looked up college rankings today and saw that UMich was a lot lower than she thought (29).
She said she works so hard that she'd rather not pay "private school tuition" (I'm OOS) for a public school that's "not as good as she thought" where I won't get as much "personal attention".
I explained to her that U.S. News Rankings are flawed and biased toward private schools.
She wouldn't believe me and thinks I'm making a mistake choosing UMich over the other schools I got into.
My parents ended up saying they want me to present reasons for why it isn't a mistake.
I really want them to respect my decision more. If someone more in the know than me has anything I could tell them I would appreciate it. I know there are a lot of reasons for someone to choose UMich (in terms of its academic merits); Alexandre comes to mind as he turned down Ivies to attend.
I'm probably doing pre-med and majoring in psych or something like that, if that helps.</p>

<p>If she is caught up with rankings tell her to look at these. Apparently their the most widely used and respected in the world: [ARWU</a> 2010](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp)</p>

<p>Michigan 22 (in the world), WUSTL 30, the other two not even in the top 100. USNWR is so biased. And just tell her that Michigan is where you feel the most comfortable and will provide you with the most opportunities or something like that. After all, you’re the one going to college, you might as well go where you’ll be happy.</p>

<p>It is important that your parents remember two things?</p>

<ol>
<li><p>There are many rankings out there, none of which is reliable or accurate. The USNWR is one of the oldest and the most commercially successful, but it is no better than the other, equally flawed rankings out there.</p></li>
<li><p>There are literally hundreds of universities in the peer group you are considering. The difference between #10 and #30 is marginal in any of those rankings.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Below are some pros and cons for all three schools:</p>

<p>University of Michigan-Ann Arbor:
Pros:
-Excellent academics across the board (#3 in Psychology, #4 in Business, #7 in Engineering)
-Very highly respected in academe (one of the highest peer assessment scores)
-Excellent corporate reputation
-Prestigious nationally and globally
-Ridiculously strong school spirit and pride
-Very lively and active campus life
-Large, spreadout, loyal, influential and active alumni network
-Great athletics programs, particularly in Football and Hockey
-Laid back and friendly students
-Very diverse, with 1,700 undergraduate international students from over 120 countries, over 3,000 undergrads from the East Coast and another 1,000 undergrads from California
-Top 10 Medical school and hospital which provide excellent research/internship opportunities for undergrads and give preference to Michigan undergrads when applying to Medical school
-Ann Arbor is AWESOME!</p>

<p>Cons:
-Michigan is large. Some students prefer mid-sized schools
-Grading is not as inflated as it is at many other schools, which can hurt premed students</p>

<p>Myths:
-Classes are HUGE. Michigan does not offer many seminar courses which tends to deflate the % of classes with fewer than 20. The University is seriously considering jumping on this bandwagon, but I hope it does not. Those classes add nothing to the quality of education. Most classes one will take in college will not be larger at Michigan than at any elite private university.
-TAs teach undergrads. Only 3% of classes are taught my TAs at Michigan. Most of those classes are entry level Mathematics and Foreign Language classes. Again, this is no different at Michigan than at most major research university, including Harvard or Stanford. </p>

<p>University of Notre Dame:
Pros:
-Highly respected in academe
-Excellent corporate reputation
-Prestigious nationally but not globally
-Ridiculously strong school spirit and pride
-Very lively and active campus life
-Large, spreadout, loyal, influential and active alumni network
-Great athletics programs, particularly in Football</p>

<p>Cons:
-South Bend is not that nice a town
-Notre Dame is predominantly Catholic, which does not sit will with many. Even Catholics like myself would rather not attend a university where 80% of the students and 50% of the faculty are Catholic.</p>

<p>Myths:
-You do not have to be Catholic to fit in. Notre Dame has a friendly and welcoming student body
-Students at Notre Dame are not conservative. In fact, most lean left of center</p>

<p>Washington University-St Louis:
Pros:
-Excellent in the life sciences (#9 in Biology and #5 in Medicine)
-Highly respected in academe
-Very diverse, with over 60% of the students coming from the Coasts
-Top 10 Medical school and hospital which provide excellent research/internship opportunities for undergrads and give preference to WUSTL undergrads when applying to Medical school
-Small and intimate student body
-Arguably the best university for premeds…certainly the best in the group you are considering. Grade inflation is alive and well and placement rates into Medical school are solid</p>

<p>Cons:
-St Louis is not a pleasant city
-Weak athletics tradition
-Relatively low-key alumni network</p>

<p>Myths:
-WUSTL is not merely premed. It has well regarded Business and Humanities programs.</p>

<p>Bottom line, those are three excellent universities. I think it would be a good idea if your parents and you hit the road and visited Ann Arbor, South Bend and St Louis. I am farily confident that after visiting the three schools, your parents will be equally comfortable with all of them and will not need convincing.</p>

<p>massgirl92, the same types of students attend all of these schools and many turn down the others to go to the one they choose. You will be academically challenged wherever you choose to go. Usually the decision comes down to something other than academics. The biggest difference between Michigan and ND and BC are that ND and BC are religious institutions. The biggest difference between Michigan and Wash U is that 60% of the students at Michigan come from Michigan and that Michigan has D1 sports and the school spirit that goes with it. You will not notice much difference otherwise. Wash U has become very aggressive at marketing and gaming the USNWR system so it will move up in the rankings.</p>

<p>Good luck with your decision.</p>

<p>“Wash U has become very aggressive at marketing and gaming the USNWR system so it will move up in the rankings”</p>

<p>Exactly correct. If your parents are so concerned with “layman’s prestige” they should note that WUSTL is weak in this area.</p>