No they don’t. You’re misinformed.
I’m going to play on the ocean. Have a great day. 
@crewdad, re-read what you wrote. Are you saying that the ACT and SAT information included in the CDS for Test Flexible and Test Optional schools isn’t true, whether it is superscored or not? Fortunately that’s not the case.
OP, yes, you can generally rely on the Information included in the rankings provided - some may be a point too high, maybe more for those that are Test Ootional, but relative range is still the same.
Good luck in your search!
I didn’t hear the “how much can your parents afford” and “what do the net price calculators say” question yet, so I’ll put that out there.
@OHMomof2, remember merit aid is need blind
@Chembiodad I’m aware (though some merit isn’t). She still needs to know the budget and if sufficient merit would be offered to meet it, and many of the schools she lists offer need-based aid only.
Re: Posse schools - those in one region are not for all regions, they have specific partners. For the Boston group, there are 5 college options (and I think it’s a match-type process so she can’t just pick one). Posse provides a full tuition scholarship, but not R&B. And it’s like ED - an early commitment.
In my haste to have some fun in the sun, I misread your post.
I thought you said, Test Flexible or Test Optional schools provide SAT and ACT data for those that did [not] submit…
I’m sure there’s no disagreement that the mid 50% range of test flexible and test optional colleges don’t include the scores of students who did not submit the SAT or ACT to be considered for admission.
Hamilton’s mid 50% range as reported to US News, and by default BI, are the scores of 81% of enrolled 1st year students. Bates mid 50% range that is reported to US News, etc. reflects the 48.5% who submitted scores…and so on wrt Bowdoin, Wesleyan, Bates, Smith, MH, BMC, etc.
Huh? If the test scores of the ~20%- 50% who didn’t submit the SAT/ACT at Hamilton, Bates, Bowdoin, Wesleyan, etc. were included in the mid 50% and/or average calculations, the results would be much more dramatic than a point too high. When you refer to a point, I assume you’re referring to the mean and not the mid 50% range?
The winds picked up as expected to 25+ knots creating 3-4 swells making things interesting, but, yes, I had a great time. Thanks for asking. There’s almost always extra room on the boat. You have an open invite. B-)
^ The conversions would differ markedly depending on the percent reporting. With assumptions discussed on other threads, and with an application of algebraic math, colleges with a reporting percentage of 50% would appear as if their ACT ranges had been shifted positively by ~1.5 points. Colleges with 80% reporting would see their ranges inflated by ~4/10 of a point.
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Without knowing the SAT/ACT scores of the students who didn’t submit, it’s not possible to calculate the inflated range. All you can do is guess. If the ranges are at most ~1.5 points, there would be no reason for some colleges to omit the scores from their reporting and be penalized by ranking orgs. There’s really no need for further discussion unless a Dean or admission officer would like to chime in and verify the scores that were not submitted.
My invite to Chembi extends to you as well. :x
While Denison hardly meets the northeast preference, it has a relatively higher percentage of lower income, first gen and/or ethnically/racially diverse students. There is a Bio Reserve right by campus, for research, and there are funded student research opportunities. Campus is less than 30 minutes from Columbus, which has a growing reputation as a vibrant arts city, and Denison funds regular trips to Columbus for students.
@CrewDad, you are likely correct that those schools that have 50% Test Optional admits would likely see a greater drop.
Thanks for everyone’s suggestions! @OHMomof2 and @MYOS1634 I ran the NPC for my state flagship, umass Amherst, and it said that I wouldn’t receive any financial aid…so about 30k a year, not including the John & Abigail Adams award. This is WAY over my parents budget of about 12k MAX a year. I haven’t ran the NPC at any of the privates yet, but I’ll keep you posted!
On another sort of unrelated note, I am having trouble with my senior schedule. Some of the schools I’m interested (one of them being Tufts) recommends four years of a social studies course, but since I’m taking two science classes, I couldn’t fit a social studies in my schedule. My current schedule is as follows:
AP Calc
AP Spanish
AP English Lang
AP Bio
AP Physics 2
Honors Chorus
However, if I were to change my schedule to include a AP social studies, I would have to drop AP physics 2, and replace it with AP Psychology or AP Gov. Should I keep my 2 science classes, or drop AP physics 2 and take a social studies? Even though I want to pursue science in college, should I show colleges that I’m more versatile and take the social studies course? Can anyone help out? @Chembiodad @merc81 @CrewDad
Personally, I wouldn’t suggest you do too much to please any particular college – it’s your education after all. That said, colleges often recommend course sequences for good reasons. You can benefit in lots of ways from introductions to academic areas with which you’re not particularly familiar, while preparing yourself for a range of collegiate material across disciplines. In your case, though, AP physics 2 seems to be more foundational at this time than either government or psych, particularly since the latter two subjects can be readily pursued in college without specific earlier preparation. I would definitely recommend you study political theory, in particular, at some point, however.
I’d be curious to know the point decrease from colleges that enroll < 50% who didn’t submit SAT/ACT scores. It’s possible that the drop isn’t insignificant. We’ll never know because the colleges don’t release the data.
@DancingwithStars, Merc is correct that it’s your education. Having said that, I too would recommend taking Physics 2. The IB curriculum offers a two year sequence in all the STEM disciplines because often curriculum debth is of more importance than breadth.
I also think physics (if you enjoy it) is a better choice than a fourth year of social science. You are aiming at a science major, you like science, it works.
OP I think one big issue is you have a budget of $12K. UMass can’t be a safety.
Can you run the NPC for Brown or Wes or Tufts and report back if the figure is in range? Those schools will meet your full need, as they define it, UMass won’t. Then you’ll know if those “meet full need” schools should be on your list at all.
You’re an excellent student, don’t sell yourself too short. If you have a clear first choice from one of your reaches, I’d apply early as that’s a significant advantage. And ED acceptances are typically contingent on financial aid, so don’t think you’ll be left with a lot of loans. And private universities have a lot more money to give out in FA than public schools, so don’t be discouraged on by FA right now.
Agree, the top LAC’s will provide FA package at the same time or very shortly after an ED decision - no need to worry about a lack of clarity
@OHMomof2 I ran the NPC for Tufts and Brown, and both are still out of the 12k range. I’m not sure if the price of the calculator is very accurate because we don’t know exact numbers, but the prices still worry me because I don’t think we’ll be able to afford yearly 18-25k yearly.
If your parents contribute 12k and the COA is 20, you could take federal loans (or part work study) and work in the summer to make up the difference.