Please Judge My Friend's Chances

<p>She wants to apply to
Georgia Institute of Technology
Agnes Scott College (GA)
Randolph-Macon Woman's College (VA)
Mount Holyoke College (MA)
Wellesley College (MA)
Occidental College (CA)
University of Southern California
Pitzer College (Claremont, CA)
Scripps College (Claremont)
Claremont McKenna College (another Claremont)</p>

<p>Her stats:</p>

<p>3.5 for freshman and sophomore year in high school.</p>

<p>Junior Year (her high school is on a trimester schedule, hence, three grades)
Math: C, C-, C
Science: C+, C-, C-
Foreign Language: A-, A, A
English: A, A, A
History elective: A
Religion electives: A-, A
Art elective: A
Creative writing electives: A-, A
Accounting class elective: A-</p>

<p>Took a driver's ed class and a study hall during junior year, too, though I told her she should have taken academic classes instead.</p>

<p>SAT: 1200, 1290, 1390 (final time, will not take it again unless she has to for the schools) </p>

<p>NO APs (will take three APs starting senior year). Does not plan on taking SAT IIs. No URM status. No leadership in her clubs. Upper-middle class.</p>

<p>Extracurriculars:
Piano (no awards, played seven years)
Violin (no awards, played four years)
Swimming (NOT on swim team, but six hours a week on avg. for recreational)
School Newspaper Editor (two awards)
School Literary Magazine Editor
Academic Team (like a Quizbowl type club)
Multi-Cultural Club
Amnesty International
Respect for Life Club</p>

<p>Won a few awards for her excellence in art and writing.</p>

<p>What do you think? Please help!</p>

<p>Please explain why a GATech applicant would have Cs in math & science...after all, GATech is a tech school, right? Like Caltech & MIT, except not quite as hard to get into?</p>

<p>Claremont Colleges + USC are reaches, I think</p>

<p>That's why she's applying to GA Tech-- it'd be very inexpensive to go, and it's a good school, to boot.</p>

<p>But still...if she's not very good at math & Sci, GT just seems a bizarre choice. I've received mainly Bs in math & sci in high school, and most tech schools would look at my app and question my sanity.</p>

<p>Obviously several scores of people have checked out this thread but haven't commented. </p>

<p>Don't be hesitant to perhaps "hurt her feelings." She has to be realistic about her college applying decisions, so I really need your input on her chances. I know she has a lot of Cs and no sports/leadership. I don't want her to apply somewhere under a false pretense that she has a chance, and be heartbroken if she doesn't get in. I need more advice from knowledgeable people (a lot of people on CC) soon for her.</p>

<p>Were the classes she took relatively difficult (AP/IB/Honors)? It's hard for me to tell the chances of her acceptances, but just make sure to do community service and try for some leadership positions.</p>

<p>lol this "friend" is really you. trying to get unbiased opinions i see?</p>

<p>well, im not sure of most of the colleges, but USC would be a bit of a reach, and applying to gatech instate, i would assume theres a good shot there. what about uga? its not so techie.</p>

<p>"lol this "friend" is really you. trying to get unbiased opinions i see?"</p>

<p>Try not be so presumptous. Especially since you're dead wrong.</p>

<p>I'm heading to GA State this fall, and my friend (lives down the street) is going to be a senior in high school-- that's why I'm asking for her. The only other schools I applied to were UGA, GA Tech, Emory and Oglethorpe. I had to stay in Georgia because of the Hope scholarship. Mostly my friend wants (and can) go to school out of state, but I don't have any knowledge of what those schools are like. I can't help her out, because I didn't apply to those places, which is why I'm asking for her here.</p>

<p>All right with you?</p>

<p>"what about uga? its not so techie."</p>

<p>Wow! No way! Maybe because it's not an Institute of Technology.</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply.</p>

<p>I don't know how the classes were at her school, but I imagine they were fairly difficult. We didn't go to the same high school-- I mentioned she went to a private prep (I'm a public school kid). </p>

<p>Does she get breaks for her bad grades because the classes she was taking, by nature of being in a prep program, were harder?</p>

<p>lol okay, but i still dont believe you. yeah u probably know GA schools better than i do.</p>

<p>i still really have to question the GA tech application.. First of all, she'll have a hard time in their admissions with C's in math/science. Second, it's a very difficult school even for math and science wizzes. Third, it probably wont offer any of the subjects she's really interested in. It's a complete black sheep compared to every other college you've mentioned— it's very male-oriented, and since it's a very unhappy place it's merits (excellent engineering/science reputation) would be way outweighed by its problems if she chose a fluffier major.</p>

<p>SHE HAS GOT TO GO TO BRING UP THOSE MATH AND SCIENCE GRADES! Any sensible college would not accept those grades if she were to apply. Much less likely would a Technology school accept her with those C's</p>

<p>High Reach:
Wellesley College (MA)
University of Southern California
Pitzer College (Claremont, CA)
Scripps College (Claremont)
Claremont McKenna College (another Claremont)
---> need better SAT scores (and GPA). v. academically based.</p>

<p>Reach:
Occidental College (CA)
Georgia Institute of Technology</p>

<p>again, reiterate need to bring up the math and sciences grades. these are essential, esp. at tech school. Won't be that big of a deal of she's dead set on humanities....if not..needs a KILLER app.</p>

<p>GT is relatively easy to get into, but it's hard to graduate, especially when she's struggling with HIGH SCHOOL math and science classes. Just because she can go there and pay 4k a year with Hope does not mean she should consider it. She'll be miserable there. Also, her colleges of choice seem to contradict each other in many ways.. GT with a 7:3 guy to girl ratio and these women's colleges, schools in big cities and others in the middle of nowhere, huge state schools and tiny private schools.. the list seems like a random mix of colleges. I think she should first decide what kind of college she wants to go to before worrying about whether she can get in or not.</p>

<p>The other problem with a tech school (I know nothing about GA Tech, but I'm going off what I know of others, so correct me if I'm wrong) is that there's usually a math/science oriented core curriculum, set of GEs, what have you. If she's not interested in any math/science degree, these will be a real drag...they'll be a time-suck/distraction as well as a useless cut to her GPA and perhaps motivation (not saying that ANY math/science would be, but definitely an education with these subjects at the center would be unreasonable). Finding peers with common interests could also be a drag, since its sort of a common-interest environment. Furthermore, a humanities degree from a tech school (with no dual/double tech degree) would probably look strange to grad schools, employers, or whoever. I'm just hypothesizing, but I doubt the quality of the school will mean as much with a degree outside its field of notoriety.</p>

<p>USC is a definite reach, especially as an out-of-stater (it's a private school, but certainly rather CA-oriented, and from what I know, they try to maintain geographic diversity while still holding out-of-staters to slightly more strict standards). Pitzer will definitely want to see more leadership, community involvement, community service type things. It's a very activism-oriented school, and certain qualities of a person can override some academic weaknesses, although I do believe that they're trying to up their academic admission standards as well. Scripps might still be a reach due to GPA and lack of leadership, but might be a little more of a fit b/c the grades are consistently strong in relevant areas (assuming she doesn't indicate interest in a math/science field). Some of her extracurriculars (excellence in writing/art, newspaper) will be particularly helpful here. Claremont McKenna, definite reach, especially with the low math grades, lack of leadership, lack of APs, and lack of involvement in relevant areas (political, for example), although the accounting elective will look nice, it probably won't go far. From what I know of them, Mount Holyoke and Wellesley will also be reaches, but similarly to Scripps, may be more flexible with the apparent math/science weakness.</p>

<p>Don't know enough about anything else to guess. I would say the most important things to do are community service, step up to some sort of leadership role, and not slack senior year, grade-wise. She's definitely set a pattern junior year, and consistency--if not improvement--would be the best bet. You didn't give an SAT breakdown, but if her scores correspond with her grades (low-ish math, high verbal/writing/whatever she took), then this would be good (b/c if it's clear that she just doesn't have a strength in math/science, but she doesn't want to go into the field, then this might be dismissed. If tests indicate that she's strong in math, her grades will tend to show lack of effort rather than lack of understanding).</p>

<p>There are definite reaches in her list, but <em>NONE</em> of them is entirely ridiculous, especially if she wants to go into a non math/science area. College admissions--at a certain point, and to a certain degree--is just a total crapshoot. Maybe she'll have a glowing recommendation, or a really impressive interview (speaking of which, she may want to attempt to visit some of those schools and interview, it might give her a chance to explain some of the weaknesses of her application in person, which can be really helpful and humanizing), or some element of her personality that really shines through and clicks with a school or application reader, but doesn't come through in stats. Maybe she'll just get lucky in the applicant pool. She has GOOD SATs (although I imagine SAT2s would be helpful, they definitely can't be harmful, and some of those schools <em>might</em> require them), a more than decent GPA, obvious academic strengths, and a dedicated and lengthy list of extracurriculars and hobbies. If her GPA is mainly A's minus math/science grades, as in the sample you provided, this will surely be factored into account, too. Furthermore, I would guess it would likely be looked on more fondly than a transcript of mainly B's with just a small number of A's and C's, b/c at least it demonstrates consistent excellence in some areas, and, well, persistence in others. If your friend really steps up to the plate senior year, spends time and effort on her applications, shows genuine interest in the schools, and has strong recommendations, hers looks to me like a fine application. Not outstanding, but good.</p>

<p>I do kind of question your role in all this, although it sounds like a nice gesture on your part. I would recommend giving your friend the address to this website and allowing her to look around and ask questions herself. It will be more direct for her, and probably easier on your friendship. </p>

<p>Just a note: Take everything you read her (my own opinion included) with a grain of salt. Opinions on this board tend (not unanimously, but in general) to lie on the harsher side of reality, and there are enough "I'm looking at the following Ivies and here are my amazing stats" posts floating around that an average, or even above average application tends to appear worse than it would standing on its own. Try not to pass too much of that on to your friend, b/c yes--realism is important for not getting hopes crushed in the college search, but optimism, confidence, and positivity are crucial as well, and they WILL be evident.</p>