<p>Yes, MIT has more humanities, arts, and social studies offerings than what many people expect from an “institute of technology”, although only a minority of students major in those subjects. It also has a relatively large core curriculum (“General Institute Requirements”) compared to many other schools.</p>
<p>What about Grinnell? It’s on the USNWR list of schools that meet full need ([Colleges</a> That Claim to Meet Full Financial Need - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2012/02/16/colleges-that-claim-to-meet-full-financial-need]Colleges”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/2012/02/16/colleges-that-claim-to-meet-full-financial-need) ), which might give you a whole list of places to look.</p>
<p>Creative Writing is a significant part of the English major. They’ve got quite a few math courses in that major, and undergrad research opportunities. There’s a studio concentration in art. ~50% acceptance rate, with your D’s anticipated scores towards the top of the pool.</p>
<p>(And yeah, MIT is a reach for anyone.)</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, most OOS publics will come up short on need-based aid. Those which may be possibilities are:</p>
<p>Virginia – meets aid for OOS
UNC Chapel Hill – meets aid for OOS, also has highly competitive full ride merit scholarships (Robertson and Morehead-Cain)
NCSU – highly competitive full ride merit scholarship (Park)
Georgia Tech – highly competitive full ride merit scholarship (President’s)</p>
<p>However, these merit scholarships are reach-level. There may be other large scholarships at other OOS public universities, though you will have to dig around their scholarship web sites to see if any are sufficient. Are you sure that none of the in-state public universities are suitable?</p>
<p>There may also be some regional discounted tuition arrangements with nearby states’ public universities, though financial aid might not be that generous (but the regional discounted tuition may put those schools in range if she gets a merit scholarship covering in-state cost).</p>
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The problem here is that most likely regular algebra and calculus are about all she has been exposed to. There are over 3000 recognised subfields in mathematics. Until D gets a bit further down the line, it’s hard to really narrow down a particular direction.</p>
<p>Barnard’s creative writing program is much superior to Columbia’s and it is less of a rich. And except for Columbia’s core, the courses are open to both CC and Barnard students equally (with a few exceptions.)</p>
<p>Barnard really wants women who want them. Nothing lost in applying to Columbia, but the acceptance rate is significantly lower.</p>
<p>I think Barnard would really like the combination your daughter presents. Two recent Pulitzer Prize/National Book Award Winners: Jhumpa Lahiri and Edwidge Dandicant. You can google many others. The writing culture at Barnard is really amazing.</p>
<p>D graduated from Barnard and wouldn’t have attended Columbia if given the choice. She didn’t even apply to Columbia, in fact. Here are the advantages of Barnard: superior advising, cleaner dorms, quieter dorms and the requirement of writing a thesis.</p>
<p>My D is now in a grad history program on the strength of her Barnard thesis.</p>
<p>If your child goes to Columbia, and you’re reading this, I don’t mean to imply that Columbia doesn’t have its own advantages over Barnard. I’m sure they’re many and significant, but I can’t speak to that because that’s not what I heard from my D.</p>
<p>I will say that one of my D’s favorite courses was with a Federal Court judge and he took them on a field trip to hear oral arguments at the Supreme Court. It was a Columbia course, as it happens, and I think she just happened to be the only Barnard student, but nobody asks and nobody knows who’s who.</p>
<p>If you want to know more about Barnard, PM me. </p>
<p>I only suggest it so strongly because of the interest in creative writing.</p>
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<p>I’m just going to second this… math, creativity, music, need-based aid…</p>
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<p>Thank you for suggesting Grinnell, but I think we’d like a larger math department with more course offerings. Some are only available alternate years and such. It sounds like it’s a great choice for a smaller school.</p>
<p>I agree about MIT.</p>
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<p>Yes, that’s definitely a reason she wants a university with a strong math department. She’s trying to get as many math courses in as she can, but she’d also like to fulfill some of the general ed requirements now and has been working toward her AA. She’d be happy with 3 or 4 math courses each semester. lol</p>
<p>Ucbalumnus, yes she’s sure about the state school, but we’ll look into nearby states too. Thank you for mentioning those OOS schools; we’ll look into them also. But you’re right that the few really good scholarships make them tough reaches.</p>
<p>Mythmom thank you for all the great info on Barnard. It definitely sounds interesting. </p>
<p>Creekland, thank you for seconding PinotNoir’s suggestion. U of Rochester definitely sounds interesting too.</p>
<p>I would also look very carefully into what is considered a transfer credit. In researching some other schools they ALL list that the credit must come from an institution that grants bachelor’s degree, so no community college credits will transfer at all.</p>
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<p>Since you did not mention your state of residency, here is a list of regional tuition discount exchanges for nearby out of state public schools:</p>
<p>[State</a> & Regional College Tuition Discounts - National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators](<a href=“State & Regional College Tuition Discounts”>State & Regional College Tuition Discounts)</p>
<p>But note that some states have their own tuition reciprocity agreements (e.g. MN has agreements with WI, ND, SD, and Manitoba).</p>
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<p>LACs with easy course access to big universities with strong math departments (like Barnard) may be good choices if she wants a LAC but not the math department limitations of many LACs.</p>
<p>That could also be a way into otherwise-too-expensive out-of-state public schools with strong math departments, if the nearby LAC or other school is a private school with good financial aid.</p>
<p>Another possibility is to gain access to math courses at a school that is reachier for admissions. For example, a student at Wellesley may be able to take courses at MIT. <a href=“Cross-registration | MIT Registrar”>Cross-registration | MIT Registrar;
<p>But that might be a small list of schools, and course accessibility for cross registration needs to be checked carefully.</p>
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<p>SteveMA thank you for sharing how difficult it is to get credit for college classes taken in high school; there are some barriers I didn’t even know exist. As far as the bachelor’s degree though, her community college should be good as they do offer some four year degrees as well.</p>
<p>Private schools do tend to be less generous with *credit<a href=“as%20in%20credit%20hour%20units%20counting%20to%20the%20total%20number%20needed%20for%20graduation”>/i</a> for college courses taken while in high school. However, any sensible math department should allow for proper placement of the student in to the math courses appropriate to her ability and prior knowledge (as opposed to forcing her to repeat several semesters of stuff she already knows well). But then you may have to make sure that the math department is sensible.</p>
<p>SoMuch2Learn–I doubt that they will still take a community college as a “4-year institution”. Yes, some offer limited Bach. degrees but the more selective colleges aren’t going to bite on that. Put it this way, one boy our son graduated with tested out of all high school math by 9th grade, took 27 AP tests by 9th grade and got 5’s on all of them. He was taking special math classes by junior year in high school because he had tested out of all the math at our state flagship and they STILL wouldn’t take his math credits at the school he is attending. He is certainly not taking remedial math but he didn’t get any credit on his transcript for his math classes. It comes down to 2 things, one the profs want you to learn “their” way and two, the colleges want the money.</p>
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<p>Yeah, she really does need a big department, then. Coming at it from a different angle, here’s the list of all the schools on the USNWR lists for both math graduate schools and meets full need, sorted in order of the school’s graduate math prestige.</p>
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<p>If that’s the case (that she basically ran through the standard high school curriculum and is now running through the standard community college curriculum), has she done competition math? Art of Problem Solving ([AoPS</a> Online School<a href=“If%20cost%20or%20scheduling%20are%20issues,%20Acumulus%20is%20free%20and%20self-paced.”>/url</a> I’d recommend this article, particularly: [url=<a href=“http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Resources/articles.php?page=calculustrap]The”>Don’t Fall into the Calculus Trap]The</a> Calculus Trap](<a href=“Online School)?%5DAoPS”>Online School)?)</p>
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<p>But did they actually make him retake freshman calculus and other stuff that he already knew, or did they just say “you get no credit hour units for all of those courses, but you are considered to have completed them for purposes of prerequisites to advanced math courses”?</p>