<p>pax, dave,</p>
<p>Best discussion I've seen yet on a topic like this, in the way each of you homed in on the crux of your differences, in the way you dealt with facts and observations, and in the way you recognized the basis for difference - the differing use of the term "conservative". This is how discussions should go, IMHO, but too seldom do. Kudos to both of you.</p>