Poll: China vs USA

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<p>It is foreign investments & foreign trade the influences the dollar exchange rate. </p>

<p>The U.S. had for a time been the No.1 destination for foreign investments. But today, few people want to invest in a country with exorbitant taxes and the business/commercial and political freedoms are not really as good as what they preached, especially after bush administration passed a set of so called "Patriot Acts". they basically obliterated many fundamental rights ppl have in a democracy. They are not yet a military state, but not far from declaring marshal laws. If you happen to own any U.S. dollar dominated assets, you know how much value you've been losing since 2002. Even canadians assets will be better considering the green back lost some 40% of is value, former glory. </p>

<p>China seem to be a different story. Most indicators seems to be good. and if you invested in some hot commodities or real estate (in beijing, shangai) in china two or three years ago, you would have made BIG profits.</p>

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<p>i know this is an old thread and im not even in college but the year is 2006 of course the month of July, and as we all well know the proverbial **** is currently hitting the fan in the middle east as we speak, i mean the Israeli Arab conflict of course. and as we can see its escalating out of control, with israel bombing Lebanon, and our government stands by and watches events unfold. well the reason i post this in this old forum is i stumbled across it and i myself am curious as to how we plan to defend ourself from chinese attack. yet this thread is flawed. the chinese know all too well a direct military confrontation with the usa is futile and will result in massive losses on both sides, the chinese are smarter than that.what they want to do is eliminate as many of us as possible while sustainign 0 losses on their side. an outcome any government would love to see. especially communist china who i might add professed a strong desire for world domination ..(in secret of course), no my fellow countrymen, their plan is much more devious than mere nuclear war. why devastate the very land you wish to aquire for yourself? see as was said earlier china has over a billion people in their population, and theyre runnign out of room. they know this fact, and have expressed that the need for more land will soon force them to wage war on a north american nation in the next few years to aquire more living space. its all here just check this link</p>

<p><a href="http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>very interestign stuff.
the chinese have big plans for this land of ours, and if they have their way we wont be around to see it. it wont be a military strike that will bring us down. its obviously the most versatile method these days of eliminating the enemy. Biological warfare. kill the enemy and move right in. if they launched nukes wed die and theyd die in retaliation and both countries would be unihabitable for decades. thats not what china wants. wake up people. the war is on our doorstep. once israel attacks syria iran will step in to attack israel, then the usa will attack iran and then while all this goes on china will attack taiwan, forcing the usa into a war with the east over an island. a war with china , who knows whats in store but it will get worse b4 it gets better. </p>

<p>my 2 cents :D</p>

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<p>You guys still think of modern warfare in the video game sense. Back in 1945, the most important thing to control in a country you recently conquered was the factors of production. Land, labour and capital. Back then, capital was largely made up of factories and natural resources, tangible objects which were easy to control (relatively). Nowadays, as seen with the war on terrorism, an important factor to control is information and controlling information in the day of sattellites and the internet is an increasingly harder task. Especially when you consider that capital these days now increasingly depends on information which is not tangible. It's hard enough to control a foreign population, it's even harder when you attempt to control it's sources of capital and destroy it's economy.</p>

<p>On a side note, the ignorance surrounding China hilarious.</p>

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<p>Well said. That's why I find it laughable when some right-wing Canadians claim that we have to be there in Afghanistan in order to "contain" terrorism. Why? Because terrorism isn't a person or an army; rather, it's an incendiary idea that you enflame more by sending military over to foreign lands.</p>

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<p>i know this is an old thread and im not even in college but the year is 2006 of course the month of July, and as we all well know the proverbial **** is currently hitting the fan in the middle east as we speak, i mean the Israeli Arab conflict of course. and as we can see its escalating out of control, with israel bombing Lebanon, and our government stands by and watches events unfold. well the reason i post this in this old forum is i stumbled across it and i myself am curious as to how we plan to defend ourself from chinese attack. yet this thread is flawed. the chinese know all too well a direct military confrontation with the usa is futile and will result in massive losses on both sides, the chinese are smarter than that.what they want to do is eliminate as many of us as possible while sustainign 0 losses on their side. an outcome any government would love to see. especially communist china who i might add professed a strong desire for world domination ..(in secret of course), no my fellow countrymen, their plan is much more devious than mere nuclear war. why devastate the very land you wish to aquire for yourself? see as was said earlier china has over a billion people in their population, and theyre runnign out of room. they know this fact, and have expressed that the need for more land will soon force them to wage war on a north american nation in the next few years to aquire more living space. its all here just check this link</p>

<p><a href="http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>very interestign stuff.
the chinese have big plans for this land of ours, and if they have their way we wont be around to see it. it wont be a military strike that will bring us down. its obviously the most versatile method these days of eliminating the enemy. Biological warfare. kill the enemy and move right in. if they launched nukes wed die and theyd die in retaliation and both countries would be unihabitable for decades. thats not what china wants. wake up people. the war is on our doorstep. once israel attacks syria iran will step in to attack israel, then the usa will attack iran and then while all this goes on china will attack taiwan, forcing the usa into a war with the east over an island. a war with china , who knows whats in store but it will get worse b4 it gets better. </p>

<p>my 2 cents

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<p> always verify the sources. the link you gave belongs to theepochtimes. it is a extremely biased source (backed by Falungong) against China. </p>

<p>see below, quoted from wikipedia</p>

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One of the biggest criticisms of The Epoch Times is that its tone towards the Chinese government is too negative, and is dismissive of positive developments such as economic growth. Although a concentration of these negative articles may be published in The Epoch Times, they are not exclusive and many of these reports can also be found in neutral overseas Chinese newspapers. It has been characterized as improperly blending news and commentary and using tabloid practices; some do not consider it to be a serious publication

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<p>This is ridiculous. NOBODY WINS A NUCLEAR WAR, because of MAD - Mutal Assured Destruction. Nuclear blowback, anybody? As far as I can see there are two scenarios:</p>

<p>1) We fire several nuclear missles, all at the same time, to different spots in China (this is possible: The United States' Peacekeeper missile was a MIRVed delivery system. Each missile could contain up to ten nuclear warheads, each of which could be aimed at a different target. These were developed to make missile defense very difficult for an enemy country. -Wikipedia) in order to completely destroy an China's nuclear forces before it could retaliate. We assume all China's nukes are destroyed, but the huge explosions that would result would cause major blowback to numerous different countries, including, most importantly, North Korea and Russia. Even if North Korea is unaffected (not likely), they will no doubt feel extremely threatened and launch nukes, kami-kaze style. What do they have to lose? It's a matter of time before it's their turn. Keep in mind - even if Russia won't enter a war because they are allied with China, they will send their nukes because they believe it is in their own best interest. Again, if the US will bomb China, with which they hold a very VALUABLE economic relationship, it's only a matter of time before Russia goes. Or they submit to Uncle Sam, which they will never do. They send their nukes out and book, the whole world disappears. Or all of China's nukes aren't destroyed (more probable) and boom, again, the world disappears.</p>

<p>2) The US only sends a couple of nukes. China reciprocates with their nukes. The world falls to pieces.</p>

<p>"5. This might come out sounding wrong, but will the people who claim to know China so well just shut-up? Yes, we know you have a better idea of what conditions are like in China, but lets not try to paint the whole thing as sunshine and butterflies. For a fact there is still curtailment of freedoms and personal choice in China. Do not try to deny that. Hell, I'm not even going to say that's wrong, I really don't care what goes on, it's an entirely different culture with an entirely different value structure. But let's not try to paint such a rosy picture."</p>

<p>I think this is ridiculous. Have you ever been to China? Where do you get such authority to speak this way? Reading biased papers does not make you an expert.</p>

<p>"It could happen." </p>

<p>You fail to mention that the North Korea would blow the USA to pieces in the next 10 minutes. And then the whole world would go to hell. Now isn't that fun? (Or we would all suffer from massive radiation poisoning! Yay!) Nuclear winter!</p>

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<p>just something for all you belligerent racists out there to think about: in Russia, almost everybody is sure that America is gonna attack Russia in 2010. My source - Russans and Russian media.</p>

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<p>"Well said. That's why I find it laughable when some right-wing Canadians claim that we have to be there in Afghanistan in order to "contain" terrorism. Why? Because terrorism isn't a person or an army; rather, it's an incendiary idea that you enflame more by sending military over to foreign lands."</p>

<p>I totally agree. Well said yourself. I think this wrong mindset, that we are fighting a traditional war against a country instead of fighting a modern war against a belief, is why the USA is losing a war of attrition in Iraq, and why Israel will lose a war of attrition in Lebanon. I find it ironic that this style of warfare is in some ways very similar to the style of warfare we fought as colonists against the British. Guerrila warfare, unconventional tactics, etc.</p>

<p>"China has been supporting the U.S. currency- the dollar by purchasing massive quatities of U.S. public debts (while most other countries are dumping it). it is buying U.S. debt at a rate of billions $$ a year. if it stops buying U.S. dollar at some point. The dollar willl be worthless a the jap yen."</p>

<p>Yes. USA may be outsourcing manufacturing to China, but we do not own as much of their currency as they own of ours. If they stop buying the US dollar and diversify their assets, as South Korea was almost going to do last year, that would put a huge chink into our economy.</p>

<p>The economic importance of this tie cannot be underestimated. Show me the link between the Nazi-Soviet pact and the economic relations between China and the USA and maybe then we can argue. We step around China for everything, just like we step around Saudi Arabia.</p>

<p>Oh, and if Russia regarded China as one of it's enemies in the region...why would their troops be training together? Last year when I was in Shanghai, I flipped onto a News Channel that featured a story about a camp where Russian and Chinese soldiers were training together, combining tactics, etc. They seemed pretty cozy in their tanks to me.</p>

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<p>The war between Russia/China and the USA is impossible to deny now. The cold war never actually ended; it is resurging right now.</p>

<p>China--->North Korea vs. South Korea/Japan/USA
Russia--->Iran--->Syria--->Hezbolla vs. Israel--->USA</p>

<p>just follow the money trails</p>

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<p>I wouldn't call it a war or even a conflict. Maybe opposing forces? Rift? On the other hand, the Cold War wasn't really a war so... </p>

<p>Things might step up if Lebanon-Israel heats up into a full-out war, which is likely, but I kinda doubt the strength of the Russia-Iran tie. I am interested where Saudi Arabia will end up. With its Arab neighbors or with the US? I'm inclined to say with Iran and Syria, just because of public opinion and perhaps the Ayatollah would also intervene here for religious reasons, which would further crush a USA already isolated from China. Besides, this would be by no means a loss to Saudi Arabia - China is so oil-thirsty they will more than make up for the demand hole created by cutting ties with the USA.</p>

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<p>"Oh, and if Russia regarded China as one of it's enemies in the region...why would their troops be training together? Last year when I was in Shanghai, I flipped onto a News Channel that featured a story about a camp where Russian and Chinese soldiers were training together, combining tactics, etc. They seemed pretty cozy in their tanks to me."</p>

<p>You DO know this sort of thing happens all the time right? Between nearly every civilized country that has a functioning practical military, right?</p>

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<p>In the UN Security Council, regarding the North Korea issue, it's China and Russia vs. the rest of them.</p>