<p>This might get interesting. ;)</p>
<p>If I am understanding this (in conjunction with the WSJ article you mentioned, curm) correctly, I am right about the loophole/separate fund idea.
[Stanford</a> Cardinal’s coordinator’s position endowed in honor of Andrew Luck - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7959438/stanford-cardinal-coordinator-position-endowed-honor-andrew-luck]Stanford”>Stanford Cardinal's coordinator's position endowed in honor of Andrew Luck - ESPN)</p>
<p>The endowed scholarships mean that “Stanford” is not giving them out, but instead, Stanford manages a fund that awards athletic scholarships. This is not allowed in the ivy league and division 3 where any kind of athletic scholarship is banned, but in pac 12 (or any other division 1 conference) it’s perfectly legit, and allows the school in desired circles to claim it does not award athletic scholarships.</p>
<p>I think you are getting it , IWBB. Plausible deniability. It could be just a feel good distinction without meaning. </p>
<p>In other news, lots of schools require academic merit scholarship winners to continue to submit FA paperwork. What they do with it remains a mystery because the money keeps flowing.</p>
<p>curm,
"In other news, lots of schools require academic merit scholarship winners to continue to submit FA paperwork. What they do with it remains a mystery because the money keeps flowing. "
-Absolutely correct. D’s UG did not require, but rather suggested that if you want to receive “full range” of Merit awards, you berr submit FASFA. We were religious about it, and $$$ continue flowing and increasing in the later years. We are still religious about FASFA and again for no reason, just in case…</p>
<p>I wanna
Endowed academic scholarships have been “court” altered. For example, there was a Doffelmyer Scholarship for full ride for Eagle Scouts from Western States. It originally had no need based criteria, but they had the Court change to need base.
We were told that all such were changed. But, you are correct, hidden money is always hidden. With college sports though, it is getting harder. I remember an all expense cruise we took in the 70s. Sen Kennedy ruined other perks, when I was a new member, the chair of the Pharmacy committee got a free leased car paid gore by a drug company.</p>
<p>I get that P’Dad, but one of my points is that from an athletic compliance standpoint, Stanford has no reason to hide that money. Unlike in the ivy league or division 3, a non need based athletic scholarship at Stanford is a perfectly acceptable practice punishable by no one. The only people I can imagine they are “hiding” it from is probably donors who would rather hear that “the school” is not providing non need athletic scholarships.</p>
<p>Thank you all for the advice, and feedback. Although I’m not quite sure why your arguing about athletic scholarships at Stanford??
I forgot to mention I did apply to the Quest Bridge college match (regular decision), so I wasn’t bound to any college. I have had a few schools emailing to apply to them through the Quest Bridge forwarding. Colorado college said “We would like to facilitate the application process for you by waiving the application fee and accepting your QuestBridge application in lieu of the Common Application. Additionally, if you are granted admission, the College will meet 100% of your family’s demonstrated financial need.” So that’s pretty good. I prefer cities, but I really like the location of this school, and I heard they have a really good philosophy and physic’s departments.</p>
<p>Again, when filling out your applications, remember spelling:</p>
<p>your = possession, eg. your family</p>
<p>you’re = you are, eg. you’re arguing</p>
<p>And remember, when meeting 100% of need, that means what they COLLEGE determines is your need, not what YOU think is your need. So run their NPC to get an estimate. AND, except for relatively few colleges, loans are included in FA packages.</p>
<p>Finally, Colorado College has a very unique 1 class/block, 4 blocks/sem schedule, so be sure that’s something that works for you.</p>
<p>Majoring in physics while fulfilling your pre-med requirements at CC may be difficult because of the block scheduling. Not all courses are offered every block, esp in the physics dept. (D2’s HS classmate/lab partner/friends majored in physics at CC.) </p>
<p>D2 almost went to CC and visited several times. If you have specific questions about CC, I’ll do my best to answer them.</p>
<p>I also got the same message from Carelton College, but it’s Northfeild, Minnesota, and I don’t like that location and it’s in Minnesota. I’m now thinking about the University of Chicago far enough from the Twin Cities, but not too far. Amazing school as well especially for Philosophy and Physics. I’m not quite sure about the Chicago locale. I went their once and it was alright. Your thoughts?</p>
<p>It is rumored that University of Chicago prepares their students very well if the students are very much into academics (e.g., PhD program.) But many top LAC colleges also tend to produce a higher percentage of such students – unlike some other selective colleges whose students tend to take lucrative jobs like finance/i-banking with a BA/BS degree alone just because they can.</p>
<p>This is just my subjective opinion though.</p>
<p>BTW, if a college is close to a major airport, it tends to cost less to fly in or out of that airport. Unless you drive, the distance is not so much a problem. The kind of from/to airports could influence your travel experience ( and your travel cost in 4 years) more.</p>
<p>According to my D., no UG academincs matters much at all for Med. School. No wonder that most Med. Schools do not care much about major.
Looking back, the goals for UG years (if going to Med. Schools) are (as MCAT2 pointed, these are just subjective opinion based on my D’s comments):
-enjoying your UG
-mature personally as much as possible (some underestimate importance of this)
-develop your communication skills (all!!!)
-get as fluent as one could be in Foreign language(s) (Spanish is the best)
-get college GPA as close to 4.0 as possible
-get decent MCAT score
-get sufficient amount of medically related ECs
-educate yourself in area of personal interest (you will not have a chance later)
-get UG degree as cheaply as possible</p>
<p>Thank you MiamiDAP! However, I don’t really get the second point “mature personally”! Care to elaborate! I hope goofing around with people doesn’t count as immature.</p>
<p>Can you expand on thee reason for foreign language fluency? S is currently undergrad engineering and taking needed extra science courses required for med school. His program does not require foreign language although he entered fluent after 5years HS Spanish . Your comments and opinions highly valued as he is only a freshman and still has time.</p>
<p>Expanding from Diana’s comment, do you really some sort of proof to show your foreign language skills! I never really studied any foreign language (maybe in 7th grade) but I can fluently speak Urdu and some Arabic (my dads side)! Now I cant really prove that I studied these languages. Will they take my word for it!</p>
<p>As I said, these were subjective personal opinion based on one person experience - my D. (MS3). She had some experiences at ner Med. School that would have not been possible without some level of fluency in Spanish. However, these expanded her range of experiences, not that she was required to have them.
Keep in mind that she took only one semester of Spanish in college (3rd year Spanish). She did not focus too much on it. She had 2 minors (not Spanish). But if one is in engineering, I understand that being in the hardest major might prevent you from expanding in some other areas.<br>
D. DID NOT mention any of her 3 Foreign languages in her Med. School application at all, she ran out of space. Absolutely no discussion at interviews either. Her interviews were freguently focused on her unusual for pre-med volunteering and her Music minor (surprise!!!), she was dissapointed about little attention to her long term (3 years) Med. Research.<br>
I have mentioned lanuguages since some fluency (not native speaker) in couple of them resulted in positive experiences / comments at Med. School.<br>
In regard to personal maturity, I actually believe that some should spend more time “goofing around with people”, develop ability to connect to variety of people, not just your pre-med (or other more “intense”) crowd, be more understanding about different backgrounds, be a great listener, do not cut people off…things like that. These skills could be develop only if one spend enough time with others in various settings (maybe helping academically, maybe meeting in relaxed social activities). Do not get me wrong. Academic excellence is a must, not having certain level of college GPA will close the doors. But developing academically is not enough.
Again, please, do not change your plans based on my comments. I am just sharing my D’s experience.</p>
<p>Well… I never thought being a talking kinda would help me. My mom certainly doesn’t think so! Of course nothing can compensate for a low academic! I appreciate you sharing your Ds experience with us, MiamiDAP! Thank you! If you don’t mind me asking, where did your D do her undergraduate studies, and which med school did she attend?</p>
<p>@Ahmedcop13</p>
<p>You don’t need coursework to prove your fluency in a foreign language. On your AMCAS application you’re asked to list any languages you speak, whether those languages were spoken at home while you were growing up and your level of fluency. If you list your skill level as high/proficient/fluent—don’t be surprised if a med school interviews you in that language just to check up on your honesty.</p>
<p>(It happened D2’s BFF who is trilingual: English, Spanish and Italian. She was interviewed in Spanish at more than one medical school just to see if she really was as fluent in Spanish as she claimed.)</p>
<p>Alrighty Westmom! Thanks for clarifying that! I should hand out all the tapes documenting my life to medical schools along with my application! They seem to wanna know every little thing about you!</p>
<p>
Did not know they did that, but definitely makes sense.</p>
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Just to point this out to the general crowd: Talking in depth about someone’s research if one does not perform said research in depth is difficult. The majority of med school interviewers are not researchers and odds are the person interviewing you will have a different medical specialty than what your research relates to. In an open file interview they’ve read the description you gave in the activities section and unless they know something about the topic they’re going to ignore it because they stand to learn a lot more about you (the goal of the interview) by discussing something else.</p>