Pre-Med

To dispel all these reputations – for anyone who actually went to Johns Hopkins, what is the pre-med culture actually like? I was there, and actual students were telling me how collaborative everyone was… a sort of “we’re in this together, let’s help each other out” sort of outlook.

Also, are professors really unreachable? I am more inclined to believe that anyone who takes the initiative to reach out at JHU will be met with many generous professors with plenty of help, advice, and research opportunities! Is that true at Johns Hopkins?

Hi! I’m a premed sophomore at Hopkins. Allow me to give you a very long and thorough answer to your short question. I would describe the “premed culture” in this way:

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[li]Busy - It’s kind of a given that if you’re premed, you’re doing a lot inside/outside the classroom. It’s actually kind of funny. I’ll be studying / hanging out with my pre-med friends (you’ll see that a lot, killing two birds with one stone), and usually at least one of them will get bored or distracted and start surfing the Internet. And after maybe an hour (less if there are pressing assignments due), I’ll start hearing, every 10 minutes or so, “I should be doing something productive right now” or “I’m making bad life choices right now.” It’s not an expression of guilt; it just feels weird to be relaxing for too long.[/li][li]Passionate - Most people who are premed have “something else” that they’re passionate about–research, social justice, sex trafficking (Baltimore’s pretty notorious for it), etc. You can see it in their conversations, ECs, classes, and what they’re doing when they have down time. Moreover, there are many groups, events, and speakers devoted to discussing the interconnections between some of these things and medicine, which is really cool IMO. [/li][li]Not collaborative, per se - I think that the students you were talking to probably said that specifically to dispel the myth that we’re cutthroat. But here is a number of reasons why I do not consider us to be “collaborative”: [/li]

  1. Most of us understand the material without assistance.
  2. If there is something we don't understand, we'll probably go to the professor / teaching assistants / help rooms / tutoring sessions first.
  3. The people who are most likely to collaborate, friends, usually have different majors and take different classes. Even the prereqs get taken at different times.
  4. There's not much room to make friends in large lecture classes, because most of the time, they aren't interactive like that.
  5. It is a lot less efficient to study together, and it takes a lot of time and energy to be invested in the success of multiple people. At the end of the day, our own coursework is priority #1.
  6. Lol, depending on the subject, there's a good chance that everybody's confused.

I think that you would see more collaboration on a hard problem set or the night before a big exam than at any other time. And of course, we would take the time to help someone who asked us to. But generally, the only support we’re giving each other is moral support. Collaboration is not our default state, if you know what I mean.

[li]Not very integrated - There’s no, like, premed dorm or premed meet-and-greet, lol. But this is a good thing IMO. For one thing, no one’s going to judge you if you decide to quit being premed. Secondly, if you do want to be premed, you can jump right in; we aren’t exclusive or cliquey.[/li]
If you want to get involved with the premed community, you can join a premed group or honor society, go to events hosted by these groups, or attend informational sessions about med school apps. If you don’t want to get involved, you don’t have to; many of my friends don’t at all, while I do. Whatever choice you make has advantages and disadvantages. The good thing about getting involved is that you can meet a lot of really interesting people, get really good advice, and make a lot of connections that can lead to shadowing, volunteering, and research opportunities.

The bad thing is that if you have low self-esteem (like I do), and are surrounded by all of these “picture-perfect premeds” who have confidence, intelligence, and long lists of accomplishments, it can give you an inferiority complex. I think this is what drives the rare few people to do things like purposely choose an easy major to get a high GPA (I’ve literally had someone tell me this), pretend to be passionate about things to get a leadership position, or do what they think med schools want them to do instead of what they love.

[li]I will note that I think that the premed culture inadvertently discourages people who are interested in or should be considering other health professions, just because there are so many of us and so many events specifically tailored to premed students. [/li][/ul]

As for the professors, I don’t know who told you that they’re unreachable! You can go to their office hours, or just talk to them after class, email them, etc. I would say that there are a few professors who aren’t the nicest. The most likely thing you would see in those cases are a condescending attitude to your question, or a very no-nonsense, no-leniency kind of mindset, if you wanted an extension on an assignment or something. Most are very nice, however. Although their capacity to help you may be limited; they have office hours for maybe 2 hrs, twice a week, so they may refer you to their teaching assistants instead. And not all professors have research positions available for their students, so that’s not necessarily a given either.

That’s really great advice; thank you!

So let me ask you’re opinion: when it comes to medical school, Johns Hopkins is the best of the best, or among the best. Does that extend to the undergraduate institution?
In short, what are the advantages to studying at JHU as opposed to, say, the lower Ivy Leagues (Brown, Dartmouth, etc.) They still carry the “Ivy” tag, but how about the academic advantage?

I’d say that Hopkins has some pretty high-quality programs, which include BME, Neuro, Public Health, Molecular/Cellular Biology, International Studies, and Writing Seminars. I also think that its great in that not only does it have a great med school / nursing school / public health grad school, but there is a lot of opportunity to build strong relations with these schools through taking classes, volunteering, research, and professionals from these schools coming to speak to undergrad students. I really don’t know much about the academics, opportunities, and faculty at the “lower Ivies,” but I’m sure their academics are comparable, and at the end of the day, having an “academic advantage” is only a portion of the reason for choosing one school over another.

Do you think professors at Hopkins are enthusiastic to their undergraduate teaching? Or are they more withdrawn/apathetic?

@OnMyWay2013 You’re so helpful! Thanks for all the comments.
I’m worried about curves - how often do those super smart kids who live and breathe science/math ruin the curve for the rest of the class? Are B’s the norm (I’ve heard premed classes are curved to a B)?

@JohnnyCWil It depends. It may sound dry to students if that’s just how the professor talks or if they’re just writing things on the board, but I don’t think I’ve encountered a professor yet that wasn’t passionate about what they were teaching. I’ve had a Probability professor who always starts class with a Probability-related joke, an Animal Behavior professor that will make bird sounds and do the little head-bobbing things and everything during her lectures, and a Physics professor (who I’m pretty sure is at least 80) drive a fire extinguisher go-cart across the stage to demonstrate Newton’s Third Law…

@marshmallowpop Uh… It really varies from class to class. I think that those that are curved generally are curved around a B-/B. Others (in my experience, many of the math courses) are scaled instead of curved. Some classes are very nitpicky about grading; others give copious amounts of extra credit. Some classes, I’m pleasantly surprised to be doing all right in, despite not “living and breathing science/math.” Others (like this grad-level Stats course I’m in right now) seem to give more of an advantage to students who have had a lot of math and programming experience :frowning:

I also don’t really know about anyone else’s grades but my own. But mostly, I find that if you work hard and keep up with the material, you’ll be okay. When it gets to Organic Chemistry and above, I have no idea because I haven’t taken any of those classes yet, but I don’t believe that it’s impossible to do well. I’m a second-semester sophomore, and I haven’t gotten a B or lower yet (although that Stats class may change that, haha).

@OnMyWay2013 Thanks a lot. You know, one thing I’ve hear about JHU is that a lot of students have trouble registering for classes they want b/c there’s a rush once registration opens. What’s been your experience with that? Have you ever had to compromise on a course b/c it filled up to quickly and another section wasn’t offered?

Haha, where are you getting all this “insider info” about Hopkins? It really depends on the major you’re taking classes in. I never have a problem with the science or math courses. I also don’t have trouble with Humanities electives. But I think that Neuro, Psych, and Public Health courses do fill up fast, just because those are some of the largest majors, and most popular courses for anyone who’s premed. I haven’t had much trouble before (no issues freshman year, had to take Intro to Soc last semester, but the course I was taking was cancelled, not filled up), but now that I’m “officially” a Behavioral Bio major and have to take Psych electives, it’s a little harder. I don’t think any of my friends have had trouble getting into their courses, and a few of them are Neuro / Behavioral Bio. And there’s always the option of emailing the professor, or just showing up on the first day of class with an Add/Drop form; if he/she signs it, then you can take it to the Advising office and get registered for the class even if you’re on the waitlist.

how hard is it to get an A? i’m not one of those geniuses who can memorize things easily and I have to actually study. i only got an 2160 on my SAT so im sort of on the lower side. i heard that they don’t let you apply to medical school if you get less than a 3.2 gpa. (I’m going to be in arts and sciences btw)

It depends on how much work you’re willing to put into the class in question. It’s definitely possible for you to get an A without being one of the “geniuses” you’ve mentioned -I have a pretty decent GPA and am far from a genius- but you will have to study.

As for the medical school GPA cutoff unlike other schools of similar calibre, Hopkins does not mandate a minimum GPA for you to apply to med school. The pre prof office will write a letter on support of your app regardless of your GPA.

Thanks for the answer. Are there classes that deflate grades when too many people score high? Or are you not compared to other people? My main worry is that even if I study, my grade will be low due to it being deflated…

It really depends on the class/professor. Most of the classes I’ve been in have been curved such that the mean or median grade is around a B, a couple have had adjusted grading scales -for example 80+ is an A, 75-80 is an A-, 70-75 is a B+, etc, and a few have been entirely uncurved.

When it comes to grade deflation know that you would not have been admitted to Hopkins if the admissions office didn’t think you were capable of doing the work. However you will definitely have to work hard if you want to succeed as a premed.