<p>oh, and i'm just reiterating what's being said by other people...
like her:</p>
<p>... why are you being so adamant about this? i went through the process with a lot of other people, and the people that were doing mit, ivies, etc weren't rushing to do 3 page long supplements. Like I said, if you really have something very significant to write, it's perfectly fine. However penn gives you room to write a little extra at the end, and you should talk about your ecs in your essays and recs.</p>
<p>Yes, it's not a good idea to write a form essay, but if you have ECs you feel are worth putting down on a separate resume, than it is definitely worth writing about in an essay. Being class president is NOT worth putting on a separate resume.</p>
<p>Admissions counselors are not dumb, they can assume that if you've played an instrument for a decade that you will be pretty proficient at it. If you've played soccer and are a varsity captain they'll note it. If you've done college stuff, they'll know generally what it consists of. I have a really really really hard time figuring out what would take up 3 pages. I also don't know what admissions counselor would enjoy reading an extra three pages and finding out that it could have been fit on the regular app.</p>
<p>remember. the app was designed to accomodate the many superstars that they know will apply to penn.</p>
<p>"Admissions counselors are not dumb, they can assume that if you've played an instrument for a decade that you will be pretty proficient at it."</p>
<p>No, they wouldn't assume that. They would usually assume the worst - no examples of proficiency - not a big deal. Some people HAVE played instruments for a decade and they still suck. But say I played an instrument for a decade but I'm a genius, and I didn't tell them all about the countries I've traveled, awards I've won, blablabla, then I would look exactly like the same joe-schmo who just plays the violin. </p>
<p>And I think we pretty much have nothing to discuss, since my activity sheet is exactly the same as your "room to write a little extra at the end" - only difference is that it's much neater, detailed, and organized, instead of in my messy unprofessional handwriting. We're talking about the same thing here! The only difference is the length!</p>
<p>And it's difficult to put all of your ECs on your essay without sounding like you're bragging/using the essay as a resume - which is shouldn't be. How am I going to write my pg 217 on an array of ECs? That sounds pretentious. I want the admissions officers to know about me outside of my ECs, so instead of wasting my essay, I can have all of that info on an activity sheet. </p>
<p>"Being class president is NOT worth putting on a separate resume." - If it's worth being put on your app, then it's worth being put on your activity sheet.</p>
<p>And the "many superstars" that apply to Penn have and will continue to include detailed resumes/activity sheets/other supplements. It's okay that you didn't and other people didn't. That was your choice and I accept it, no prob. My question in the beginning wasn't really answered, but I think I answered it for myself. I know my stance now. I've weighed the pros and cons, read books, and I personally think it's better that it's better to give more info than to withhold. At least admissions officers have that option. Thanks for your time. Case closed.</p>
<p>This isn't addressed to venus, because she is writing a separate sheet, and whatever makes her feel happy with her app is fine with me. Honestly. I knew a friend who put in a supplement for their apps as well.</p>
<p>To everyone else, I would suggest not putting in a separate resume. If you do, at least try to integrate it with the application in some way. Apps are detailed enough as they are, and both you and the adcoms have better things to do than go through all the extra material. The heart of any piece of writing is doing as much as you can with just so many words; it's the reason why essays have limits on length.</p>
<p>Again, if you cannot find an appropriate place in your app for certain information, and you feel as if it would really improve your app, do it. Travelling the world to play music. Although it sounds like a great essay topic, it certainly sounds like something that could be added as part of resume. But part-time jobs, school/club positions, these things should be left in the app unless you've done something that would really make someone say "wow". Although it's tempting to go into detail about your achievements, try to condense it as much as possible. A friend was in 12 years of theater, including off-broadway performances. A one-line sentence that tells all that the admissions office will need to know</p>
<p>what headings should we use in the resume?</p>
<p>i just sent in an activity sheet and got accepted.</p>
<p>hello everyone</p>
<p>i got accepted to penn ed last year, i sent in a 3 page table-format activites resume that highlighted some significant accomplishments that i couldnt fit on the actual application (like i had more than 6 clubs that i was really involved in, and i thought that admissions should be able to see that)</p>
<p>my guidance counselor told me that they would atleast flip through everything i sent in with my application, and so sending in an activities resume would be worth the effort</p>
<p>so i dont know if they looked at it or not, but theres no harm in trying, hope that helps! and dont stress out too much</p>
<p>check out the other thread with my question and see how their responses differ:</p>
<p>i'm so glad to hear that mengcheng and phillykid!!</p>
<p>If i was an adcom, and i found a very long resume enclosed with an application, i would be ****ed that i would have to read tat much more. And at the end of reading it (if i get to it) i find out that i knew all of this already, I wouldn't fight to get this student accepted into the school as hard. Anyone else think that i am right with this flow of logic?</p>