<p>Prestige in Asia:</p>
<p>Tier 1: Harvard</p>
<p>Tier 2: Stanford=Berkeley=MIT</p>
<p>Tier 3: Caltech=Princeton</p>
<p>Tier 4: Yale=Columbia=Cornell=Chicago</p>
<p>Tier 5: Penn=Duke=Michigan=Wisconsin=UCLA=UIUC=John Hopkins=CMU=UTaxas Austin</p>
<p>datalook. First time on CC I can finally agree with somone's rating of the prestige of U.S. unversities. IMO graduate school training and research are what truly define the most prestigious universities not only in asia but worldwide. Btw, it's "Johns Hopkins and U Texas Austin." ;-)</p>
<p>If it was more based on research, i would say JHU should be higher then that but it still seems pretty fair. You are likely going to get the answer ' Harvard' from someone who is not familiar with colleges. Goes to show its very widely known.</p>
<p>For some people who are saying every college except Harvard will be on that list. Its more about learning where and why certain univ. are viewed the way they are in that part of the world. Maybe, i did not phrase my question correctly at the beginning.</p>
<p>I will use an Example:
not helpful: yea college X is not known here. bye.</p>
<p>Helpful:College X is unknown here because...</p>
<p>How can you answer it, though? Go back to your original question. You mentioned that in your opinion, Northwestern was unknown in your part of Canada. I have no data point one way or the other so I'll assume you're correct. Why is it unknown there? Well, because people haven't heard of it. Why not? Well, because they haven't. I don't see how you can answer the question. I can see how you can answer the question "why is XYZ college KNOWN in a certain area of the world" -- because it has a great program in such-and-such, because they have a winning athletic team, because alumni of that college tend to congregate in such-and-such -- but I'm not sure how you want us to answer why a certain college ISN'T well known. </p>
<p>I mean, there's not a single Australian college that's well known in the US -- why? Because we don't know them because we don't need to and it's irrelevant to us. That doesn't mean that there aren't excellent places there or that a student shouldn't consider them if they have a desire to go to Australia.</p>
<p>I would think that if I were trying to find out about colleges beyond whichever ones were superficially known / viewed as "prestigious" in my part of the world, I'd start by learning about the colleges themselves and what programs they have to offer that might be of interest, not why-the-colleges-aren't-more-known.</p>
<p>For example, of your Canadian college example, the only one that I know of (and have a favorable opinion of) is McGill. The others may be fabulous; I don't know. However, if I were determined to go to college in Canada, my time would be better spent investigating the other colleges, not understanding why the others aren''t as well known in my area as McGill. They're not; so what? Understanding why that is doesn't give me any useful information to determine whether they interest me. </p>
<p>The only reason I can see understanding why colleges are unknown in other parts of the world is if you're anticipating the inevitable "why are you going there, no one's heard of it here" from people in your part of the world but that seems a bit cart-before-the-house. If you don't care about prestige -- and you say that you don't -- then what does it matter?</p>
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THe future of science and technology is more or less determined by these 4 schools, along with Caltech, and Princeton as well.
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You've got to be kidding.</p>
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Prestige in Asia:
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How do you manage to speak for all people in Asia? How much do you know about different regions in Asia?</p>
<p>Btw, the prestige of a university is not defined by the opinions of high school seniors.</p>
<p>If you're not going to Harvard or Princeton in my area, you might as well go to Chapel Hill or Duke or you're going to get some questions.
Even Yale is a tier down from HP here, Stanford below that. Most people don't look at smaller schools (although people going to Davidson are usually pretty well regarded)--it's all USC (South Carolina), smaller UNC's, ASU, or Clemson.<br>
I'm in the South, and we have a definite regional bias here.</p>
<p>Usually, people in the South know less about what is going on in science and technology, compared to the people in other areas. If I want to rank the regions according to their contributions to modern science and technology, the result will be like this:</p>
<p>West Coast > East Coast > Mid East =Mid West > South.</p>
<p>Southern people may not be happy about the ranking. But it is the reality. </p>
<p>Which universities have contributed most to the information technology? The answer will be Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, and CMU. No southern school is on the list.</p>
<p>Which universities have contributed most to the bio-technology? The answer will be Harvard, Stanford, MIT, UCSF, Berkeley, Caltech, and JHU. Again, no Southern school is on the list.</p>
<p>GoBlue81, I am NOT kidding at all. The future of science and technology is more or less determined by Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Caltech, and Princeton.</p>
<p>Here is the ranking of universities by membership in National academy of science:
1) Harvard (167)
2) Stanford (131)
Berkeley (131)
4) MIT (109)
5) Caltech (74)
5) Princeton (74)
National</a> Academy of Sciences:</p>
<p>Here is the ranking of universities by USA National medal of science winners:
1) Stanford (34 winners)
2) Harvard (33)
3) Berkeley (24)
MIT (24)
5) Caltech (22)
6) Princeton (17)</p>
<p>Here is the ranking of the world universities by ShangHi Jiaoton University, one of the best universities in China, purely based on academic research.</p>
<p>The top 20 universities in North America:</p>
<p>Regional Rank
Institution*
World Rank
Country
National Rank</p>
<p>1
Harvard Univ
1
USA
1</p>
<p>2
Stanford Univ
2
USA
2</p>
<p>3
Univ California - Berkeley
3
USA
3</p>
<p>4
Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
5
USA
4</p>
<p>5
California Inst Tech
6
USA
5</p>
<p>6
Columbia Univ
7
USA
6</p>
<p>7
Princeton Univ
8
USA
7</p>
<p>8
Univ Chicago
9
USA
8</p>
<p>9
Yale Univ
11
USA
9</p>
<p>10
Cornell Univ
12
USA
10</p>
<p>11
Univ California - Los Angeles
13
USA
11</p>
<p>12
Univ California - San Diego
14
USA
12</p>
<p>13
Univ Pennsylvania
15
USA
13</p>
<p>14
Univ Washington - Seattle
16
USA
14</p>
<p>15
Univ Wisconsin - Madison
17
USA
15</p>
<p>16
Univ California - San Francisco
18
USA
16</p>
<p>17
Johns Hopkins Univ
19
USA
17</p>
<p>18
Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
21
USA
18</p>
<p>19
Univ Toronto
23
Canada
1</p>
<p>20
Univ Illinois - Urbana Champaign
26
USA
19</p>
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GoBlue81, I am NOT kidding at all. The future of science and technology is more or less determined by Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Caltech, and Princeton.
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The world's leading research and innovations in science and technologies are not limited to universities, and certainly not monopolized by the US.</p>
<p>Yeah, datalook, that's a ridiculous statement.</p>
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To GOBLUE: prestige in Asia
Here is the ranking of the world universities by ShangHi Jiaoton University, one of the best universities in China, purely based on academic research.
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SJTU is but one university in China. The ranking it developed can at best represent the (regional) opinion of the academic world in China... not even the business world. How does that reflect the rest of Asia? Do you think all Asians think alike?</p>
<p>Btw, SJTU ranked 565 in the world or 28 in Asia ... by its own ranking. It's not even the leading university in its own region.</p>
<p>RICE!?!
I think is probably the most under-appreciated school in the world. It is ranked in the top 20 yet no one knows that. And when you guys are talking about science and stuff rice has huge science departments as well as public policy think tanks such as the baker institute. It however doesn't receive very much recognition anywhere</p>
<p>zfox001/ i realized general trend is that you have to be ranked within top 10 by USNews to get some appreciation across america.</p>
<p>nobody really noticed UChicago 4 years ago when it was ranked like 11 or 12, and everyone's noticing it now just because it went up 3 steps and is in 9th right now.</p>
<p>same goes with school like WUSTL or Vanderbilt. if it suddenly went up to at least 9th in USNews, all these high schoolers will start noticing it. WUSTL's currently at 12th i think and basically nobody knows about it even in CC i realized. (i don't go there btw</p>
<p>I agree that Rice is very under-appreciated, and it's virtually unknown where I live.</p>
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same goes with school like WUSTL or Vanderbilt. if it suddenly went up to at least 9th in USNews, all these high schoolers will start noticing it. WUSTL's currently at 12th i think and basically nobody knows about it even in CC i realized. (i don't go there btw)
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<p>For the gazillionth time, that's not true. Having lived in St. Louis, both Vandy and WUSTL were definitely on the radar screen as top universities years ago. They're nothing "new."</p>
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Even Yale is a tier down from HP here, Stanford below that. Most people don't look at smaller schools (although people going to Davidson are usually pretty well regarded)--it's all USC (South Carolina), smaller UNC's, ASU, or Clemson.
I'm in the South, and we have a definite regional bias here.
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<p>Every area of the country has a regional bias. Every single one. Some people in some parts are just too unsophisticated to realize that the world doesn't revolve around their areas. I'm talking to you, Northeast, LOL. (And I grew up in the Northeast before moving to the Midwest.) They are just as provincial there as anywhere else.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl // when ppl were talking about top 15 prestigious universities on the other thread, i was like the only one defending WUSTL against other CC kids. i love WUSTL especially because im from the region where WUSTL is highly prestigious too. </p>
<p>so i casually mentioned why no one talks of WUSTL in this thread and when i said it should be included in top 15, other ppl were like wtheck is WUSTL that it should be added there. i think the thread is buried deep down somewhere but it's still there. again, im from the region where WUSTL was very prestigious and these CC kids gave no appreciation for it.</p>
<p>you have to admit that at least in CC, it's not given as much appreciation as UChicago or Northwestern. you hear both UChicago and Northwestern being mentioned gazilion times in CC but hardly no one talks of WUSTL.</p>
<p>maybe it is just me, but i disagree tat UChicago comes up a zillion times. duke somehow seems to come out of EVERY thread. i am oversimplifying it but it usually starts with someone saying 'screw those schools... go to DUKE!!!!' lol. and please no haters here</p>