“when one of their losers does something” @awcntdb what exactly do you mean by that? What are you trying to say? The only relation she had with the protesters at Princeton was she was black. How is she our loser? I don’t find your post hilarious. A number of us have already said we don’t defend her.
Oh, there have been plenty of comments about The Screaming Woman. Look. If you can’t limit your examples to Princeton or at least Yale, maybe try NESCAC. 
Here are two excellent case studies:
In this corner, you have Yale student Jerelyn Luther: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRd99oZTo8
And in this corner, you have Mizzou student journalist Tim Tai: https://youtu.be/xRlRAyulN4o
Which one would you want as a friend or co-worker? If you were an employer, which one would you hire?
Hebegebe It is all relative. If I needed a lawyer and Jerelyn was one I would hire her. Wouldn’t you?
Justine Tunney has a big job with Google. I don’t think Goldman will be offering her a job any time soon
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Based on what? Her ability to yell and look like a fool? She displayed no poise or analytical skills of a lawyer in any respect. Well, maybe you consider that intelligence. Some call it thuggery.
Jerelyn is an advocate for what she believes in which is social justice. She knows how to fight for what she believes in. That is a trait all the best lawyers possess. awc for some reason I thought you were in IB. I wouldn’t worry. She isn’t likely to be applying for a job at GS. She is more likely to be working on a class action against them
I assume you mean the second video as your model of stiff-upper lippedness in the face of a stressful situation. I have to say my sympathies are with everybody in that film. Until the very end when the infamous journalism professor comes on the scene, asking for “some muscle.”
Unlike the Screaming Woman video, I heard about a hundred different requests from people that their pictures not be taken which the inexperienced journalist, Mr. Tai, either couldn’t or wouldn’t entertain. So, instead of getting a story, he settled for a viral youtube video. That was his choice and to be honest, I can’t really put myself in his place. I will say, that just about everybody else likewise showed exceptional restraint.
If you are making a protest, it is ridiculous to expect that no photos be taken. Tim Tai was right to press on.
The other students came off poorly in that video, although certainly better than Jerelyn Luther or Ms. Click.
On my wife’s side there are many lawyers, including one who has argued a case before the Supreme Court. He speaks quietly and deliberately, just the opposite of Luther. Just one example, but it proves that you don’t have to scream to be effective.
They obviously weren’t having a protest at that moment in the footage. It looked like they were trying to hold a meeting while in the field. One could argue that they would have been better off trying to hold it indoors, but, I wasn’t there - and, neither were you.
I think everyone, with the exception of the professor, who clearly escalated the situation, came off well considering how aggressive Tai was being with his camera and how cavalierly he was treating their requests not to be photographed…
What a revealing response. Even NPR, that bastion of right wing conservatism, had to jump through numerous hoops explaining the protesters at Mizzou.
Your comments on this thread are reminiscent of the character “Gletkin” from Arthur Koestler’s “Darkness at Noon.” He was a principled monster, and you would have been right at home at his side as a character in that novel.
@Zinhead I can only comment on what I saw in the video clip cited by @hebegebe . It’s not my video. Anyone can see for themselves how calm everyone behaved despite the tenseness of the situation. I can’t comment on what happened outside the frame of the camera.
Which part of “Tai had a right to be there and take pictures” do you disagree with, and what legal basis do you have for your position.
Oh good grief. Tai was behaving as a journalist should. To document events, not to tiptoe away.
One could possibly say JL was advocating, but to call her “an advocate” suggests a certain dedication to a cause and a body of work to reflect that. Does she actually possess that?
I honestly don’t know the legal ramifications of a private citizen asking a hired photographer not to take their picture. Over and over and over again. In the end, Tai got his story (though perhaps, not the one ESPN had intended) and no one got hurt. A win for everybody.
I think the students would agree that he was behaving as a typical reporter might. However, a good journalist might have tried establishing his bona fides as a fellow student first, and then if that failed, pursue his putative rights as a journalist…Being a professional at any job includes having a modicum of people skills, and Tai didn’t exhibit many. He was stiff and inflexible, unable to establish any personal rapport with the people standing right in front of him. He’s not going to have much of a future in journalism, if he’s the center of every story.
As a pattern of speech very well yes. In isolated cases when someone gets frustrated at a situation that seems out of their control, then I don’t see it that way. Emotion is part of being human. Its not uncivilized.
Placed within the context of the situation, in which the student perceived that the administrator refused to budge on an opinion that she thought would affect her life, and another minority student who had complained, I can see why someone might lose their cool.
It doesn’t mean I think its effective, or polite. I think its disrespectful to shout at people, but I am very much aware that people can be very stubborn and refuse to acknowledge your viewpoint. In situations were it does not have an impact on your life you can just walk away. But there are times when people have to stand up for themselves. Rights are not always given to you, sometimes you have to take them.
The email that generated the controversy will mean different things to different people. I think its fair to consider both viewpoints. Christakis is correct in standing up for the rights of students who perceive that their rights might be encroached by the original email or that they might face disciplinary measures for misunderstood costumes. The protesters are also right for standing up for themselves when they feel someone who is essentially the go-to person when perceptions of racial intolerance occur within a residential community, tells them “Look, i don’t think its my job to police people’s expression as an administrator.”
No one is wrong or right.
Actually the incident at Princeton and Yale are very linked. You cannot understand the first without the other. There was an incident in Princeton earlier this year called “Urban Congo”:
This was the reason that spurred Yale to send that email. They did not want to deal with an “Urban Congo.”
Not in the least. 100% faux. As soon as she was identified, she disappeared from the world, all social media profiles were taken down. She did not use her 15 minutes to preach the cause; she ran for the basement.
Well, I would too if I looked that crazed over a hypothetical halloween costume and I am 20 years old and think college should be making a home of me That is little child thinking. You are an adult, act like one. And the way she screamed at the person to shut up like he does not have the right to talk as well was just ugly. That kind of behavior may work where she is from, but not at Yale.