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<p>konradph, well thanks for underscoring the fact that if you want to study undergraduate Engineering and want to work as an engineer and not in the financial industry, that you should never apply to Columbia’s Fu School of Engineering</p>
<p>thanks again for the valuable info</p>
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<p>konradph, thanks for reminding us of the National Research Council (NRC) Rankings, which are the most extensive rankings made in the last 15 years and were released Sept 2010.</p>
<p>Lets take a look at where Princeton and Columbia Engineering are in terms of the recent NRC Rankings for departmental Engineering:</p>
<p>CHEMICAL ENGINEERING
1—Cal Tech
2—MIT
3—Berkeley
4—UC Santa Barbara
5—UT Austin
6—Princeton
7—U. of Minnesota
8—Stanford
9—U. of Michigan
10–U. of Wisconsin
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37 --Columbia</p>
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<p>CIVIL ENGINEERING
1—Berkeley
2—UT Austin
3—MIT
4—Princeton
5—Yale
6—Stanford
7—U. of Illinois Urbana
8—Georgia Tech
9—Purdue
10–Northwestern
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64–Columbia</p>
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<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE
1—Stanford
2—Princeton
3—MIT
4—Berkeley
5—Carnegie Mellon
6—Cornell
7—Harvard
8—UC Santa Barbara
9—Penn
10–UCLA
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14–Columbia</p>
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<p>ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING
1—Stanford
2—Princeton
3—Harvard
4—UC Santa Barbara
5—U. of Illinois Urbana
6—Cal Tech
7—Georgia Tech
8—UCLA
9—U. of Michigan
10–MIT
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42–Columbia</p>
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<p>MECHANICAL ENGINEERING
1—MIT
2—Stanford
3—Berkeley
4—U. of Michigan
5—Brown
6—Northwestern
7—UC Santa Barbara
8—Georgia Tech
9—Princeton
10–U. of Maryland
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30–Columbia</p>
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<p>BIOENGINEERING*
1 — UCSD
2 — Caltech
3 — UC Berkeley
4 — UC SF
5 — MIT
6 — Univ. of Wash
7 — Duke
8 — Boston Univ.
9 — Michigan
10 – Yale.
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25 --Columbia</p>
<p>*Princeton’s Bioengineering is offered through its Department of Chemical and Biological Engineering ,which is ranked 6th.</p>
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<p>AEROSPACE ENGINEERING**
1 — Stanford
2 — Caltech
3 — Michigan
4 — Univ. of Colorado
5 — MIT
5 — Minnesota
7 — Georgia Tech
8 — Univ. Maryland CP
9 — Purdue
10 – Cornell
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**not ranked - Columbia</p>
<p>Princeton’s Aerospace Engineering is offered through its Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering, which is ranked 9th</p>
<p>Japanoko</p>
<p>Not sure if the NRC methodology is as widely accepted as US News. </p>
<p>As you know, in US News, Columbia is ranked slightly higher than Princeton in engineering. The two schools are very comparable at 16 and 18, respectively.</p>
<p>Neither is at the MIT, Stanford, UCB level.</p>
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<p>cmburns, for engineering department NRC is the most extensive study and is more widely accepted amoung undergraduates looking to attend graduate school in those deparments. </p>
<p>re: USNWR graduate engineering overall rankings, they have faulty methodology, you can review USNWR here:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12363031-post13.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12363031-post13.html</a></p>
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<p>konradph, why don’t you tell us about the “unemployment” for Princeton Class of 2010 v. Columbia 2010 that you are claiming?</p>
<p>Hey everyone, </p>
<p>Thanks for all the in-depth responses! I just came back from visiting Columbia for the day, and my experience really impressed me despite the rainy weather. First thing I did was sit in on a physics class, and the teaching was not drastically as poor as some have mentioned before. The students in the class were mostly enjoying it by asking/answering questions or laughing at the professor’s jokes. I know this class could have been an anomaly though, but the engineering student who I ate lunch with said she was satisfied with all her classes. The relatively small size of the campus also has its plus. I like how everything is within reach and doesn’t require too much walking, and how nobody is ever idle. Students were also saying hi to each other while walking around, and it seems like the campus size makes the community more close-knit. </p>
<p>What really got me was the Egleston Scholar designation (Rabi Scholar equivalent for engineering). Only about ten students or 1% of the class receive it. It was started last year so that’s why it is pretty unknown. I don’t know how prestigious this designation will become in the future, but from what I’ve heard, the opportunities it offers are amazing: eating lunch with the Dean, chatting with the CEO of Boeing, guaranteed research with $10000 for use, among others. I ended my day talking to a current Egleston Scholar who is a freshman but already with a job in NYC. Unlike what some people have said about the effect of NYC on social life, he rarely goes out into the city and is very involved on campus. He was also very persuasive on the availability of jobs right in NYC, with a lot of friends already working. However, he was a financial engineering major and I don’t know how good Columbia’s name is for MechE or Compsci. I’ll be visiting Princeton tomorrow and I’ll be sure to post my thoughts afterwards. I really love the Princeton name (everybody who I ask thinks it’s a no-brainer to choose Princeton) but we’ll see. My main concerns about Princeton are grade deflation and whether it can top the Egleston Scholar advantages. For now, I’m still undecided. </p>
<p>Thanks guys!</p>
<p>viva, congratulations on your wonderful visit to Columbia</p>
<p>Hopefully Princeton’s visit will be just as nice.</p>
<p>A little curious, however - from what you wrote about the Eagleston Scholar program, all of those advantages are already part of the Princeton University experience. Am I missing something here?</p>
<p>Also, please come back and tell us how your Princeton visit went, good or bad.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>also regarding this:</p>
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<p>the engineering and sciences have not been affected by the new grade policy which was intended mostly for humanities and social science classes.</p>