Princeton vs. MIT vs. Yale vs. CalTech vs. Columbia

<p>Help... What do you think about these schools in Biological Engineering, Molecular Biology, Operational Research/Financial Engineering or Computer Science?</p>

<p>My goal is to go to a great graduate school after college... </p>

<p>I am at a loss here ... Thanks!</p>

<p>bugsbunny, congratulations on the truly fantastic level of colleges acceptances!</p>

<p>Some thoughts:</p>

<p>**For Biological Engineering at Princeton **you would probably study in the Department of Chemical and Biological Engineering, concentrate in the Bioengineering and Biotechnology field. This departmental handbook fully describes the major:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/cbe/undergrad/Undergrad_Handbook.pdf[/url]”>http://www.princeton.edu/cbe/undergrad/Undergrad_Handbook.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Princeton’s ChE department has been ranked in the top ten in the country for over 40 years and currently is ranked #6 by the recent NRC study.</p>

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<p>For Molecular Biology at Princeton, the department is currently ranked #3 in the country by NRC, behind only Caltech and UCSD.</p>

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<p>for Financial Engineering at Princeton, Princeton’s ORFE department is the tops in the country and used as the popular major that feeds the Princeton undergraduates to the top Investment Banking and Consulting firms in the country. Successful placement into the Investment Banking industry by this department is at par with Penn’s Wharton School and Harvard. The three universities are at the top tier in the area.</p>

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<p>For Computer Science at Princeton, Princeton is ranked #2 in the country in the NRC rankings, behind only Stanford.</p>

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<p>In fact, even though Princeton is also known for its high ranking Humanites and Social Sciences departments, Princeton was recently ranked 4th in the world in Engineering and Technology fields, behind only Caltech, MIT and Stanford. </p>

<p>[Top</a> Universities for Engineering & Technology 2010-2011](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/engineering-and-IT.html]Top”>World University Rankings 2010-11 | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>

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<p>In terms of placement into the top Medical, Business and Law schools, Princeton, Yale and Harvard are in level of their own, significantly above all other universities:</p>

<p><a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights;

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<p>here you will find further details on Princeton’s success in placing students to Med schools:</p>

<p>[FAQ</a> -*Office of the Dean of the College](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/odoc/faculty/grading/faq/]FAQ”>Grading at Princeton | Office of the Dean of the College)</p>

<p>92.5% of applicants to Med Schools accepted</p>

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<p>If you want to discuss **Financial resources **of these fine universities, then on a per student basis, Princeton again comes out on top:</p>

<p>Endowment/Student – College<br>
$1,895,607 – Princeton
$1,436,384 – Yale

$1,419,680 – Harvard
$941,274 ---- Pomona
$819,183 ---- Swarthmore
** $800,975 ---- MIT**
$794,579 ---- Amherst
$749,309 ---- Grinnell
$748,952 ---- Stanford
$725,554 ---- Caltech
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<p>$268,944 ---- Columbia</p>

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<p>and finally, regarding **quality of **UNDERGRADUATE teaching, Princeton ranks #2 in the recent USNWR ranking, second only to Dartmouth. Yale ranks 10th.</p>

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<p>A little more about Science at Princeton:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12317531-post3.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12317531-post3.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Princeton students have done exceptionally well in obtaining the most prestigious scientific graduate scholarships. See this current posting: **Hertz Fellows **Announced (news item) Another indication of the strength of the science, math, and engineering departments is the number of **Barry M. Goldwater Scholarships **awarded to Princeton students. The Scholarship is widely considered the most prestigious award in the U.S. conferred upon undergraduates studying the science, math, and engineering. Through March 2006 Princeton University has had the most Goldwater Scholars followed by Harvard and Duke. **Churchill scholarships **are awarded to students who demonstrate outstanding promise in science, engineering, computer science or mathematics to study at Cambridge University. Since 1964 Princeton students have won 39 Churchill scholarships; this total is more Churchill scholarships than students from MIT, Cal Tech, and Rice combined have won.</p>

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<p>**Emphasis on Undergraduate Education **</p>

<p>Undergraduate Students as % of Total Students
67% - Princeton
45% - Yale
45% - Caltech
41% - MIT
32% - Columbia</p>

<p>@japanoko,
thank you so much for this very HELPFUL information, I really really appreciate your effort in helping me deciding!!! I will start studying them right now… Thanks again!</p>

<p>Bugs, you have five great choices. MIT, Columbia, Yale, and Cal Tech are urban schools. Princeton is small town. Princeton is spread out over 500 acres. A recent article in the NYT reported that Columbia has 194 sq ft per student. Princeton has over 1,000 sq ft per student. If you want city life go to an urban school; if you would like to wonder through open spaces and walk along Lake Carnegie Princeton is your place.</p>

<p>MIT and Cal Tech are primarily known for their technical education. Princeton, Yale, and Columbia also have strengths in the liberal arts. Princeton tries to achieve have strengths in all fields so that undergraduates can obtain a balanced education. For an analysis of the strengths of graduate departments see: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/1006939-princeton-2010-national-research-council-nrc-rankings-news-item.html?highlight=National+Research+Council[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/1006939-princeton-2010-national-research-council-nrc-rankings-news-item.html?highlight=National+Research+Council&lt;/a&gt; President Tilghman wrote:</p>

<p>“By one measure, Princeton has a higher percentage of highly ranked programs than any other major American research university, and, more importantly, our strength is distributed across all four divisions—the humanities, the social and natural sciences, and engineering. Of the 35 programs surveyed, 21 stood at the very apex of their respective fields, with no other program more highly ranked. The rankings reflect our long-standing practice of making hard choices about what disciplines to emphasize at Princeton. By not electing to do everything, we can focus intensively on becoming pre-eminent in what we choose to do.” See [Princeton</a> Alumni Weekly: President’s Page](<a href=“http://www.paw.princeton.edu/issues/2011/03/23/presidents-page/]Princeton”>http://www.paw.princeton.edu/issues/2011/03/23/presidents-page/) </p>

<p>Princeton emphasis is on undergraduate education. There is significant differences in the size of the universities. Yale has 11,593 student and Columbia has 24,230 students. Princeton has only 7,592 students. </p>

<p>Good statistics for which students get into the best graduate school are tough to find. This Wall Street Journal article ranks Princeton ahead of MIT, Yale, Cal Tech, and Columbia for admission to the elite medical, law, and business schools. See: <a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights; All five universities have good records.</p>

<p>Visit Princeton during Princeton Preview days. Many visit, are charmed by the beauty of the campus and never want to leave.</p>

<p>How happy are the undergraduate alumni from these 5 great universities?</p>

<p>Undergraduate Alumni Giving Rate</p>

<p>60% - Princeton
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38% - Yale
36% - MIT
35% - Caltech
34% - Columbia</p>

<p>I my haste to respond to Bugs I make a mistake. Yale was ranked higher by the WSJ in acceptances to professional schools. [I wanted to correct this mistake before any bulldogs took offense :&gt;)) ]</p>

<p>However I will take this opportunity to expand on the study of life sciences at Princeton. Since the NRC study was completed Princeton has more fully developed their programs in neuroscience and integrative genomics. </p>

<p>The Princeton Neuroscience Institute is designed to integrate the work of theorists and experimentalists through new quantitative methods and an arsenal of cutting-edge technologies. It aims to do so in a way that treats the brain as a unified if complex whole, rather than as a multiplicity of parts, and in keeping with this holistic approach, it plans to incorporate the insights of a wide range of disciplines, from biology, psychology, and physics to mathematics, engineering, and economics. See [Princeton</a> Neuroscience Institute](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/neuroscience/]Princeton”>Home | Neuroscience) </p>

<p>The Lewis-Sigler Institute for Integrative Genomics, housed in the Carl Icahn Laboratory at Princeton University, was established to innovate in research and teaching at the interface of modern biology and the more quantitative sciences. The program in Quantitative and Computational Biology is designed for students with a strong interest in multi-disciplinary and systems-level approaches to understanding molecular, cellular, and organismal behavior. Professor David Botstein, director of the institute was elected to the U.S. National Academy of Sciences in 1981 and to the Institute of Medicine in 1993. In 1980, Botstein and three colleagues proposed a method for mapping genes that laid the groundwork for the Human Genome Project. In 2010 Botstein won the $500,000 Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research; the award is the largest prize in medicine in the United States and is considered second only to the Nobel Prize. See [url=&lt;a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/genomics/]Genomics[/url”&gt;Lewis-Sigler Institute]Genomics[/url</a>] </p>

<p>The Scientist Magazine has rated Princeton University as the most desirable institution for researchers in the life sciences to work.</p>

<p>WOW thanks PtonAlumnus and japanoko, I have been reading and processing all the information you have provided, will keep going…</p>

<p>I also signed up for Princeton Preview! Can’t wait!!!</p>

<p>bugsbunny - Listen to Pton Alumnus:). He knows what he is talking about…</p>