<p>Jomjom only sprang up on 3/19/09 and has posted 143 times, almost exclusively on the Princeton board to bash Princeton University, over and over again, to the consternation of all. No one chimes in to agree with him and he is simply annoying every other poster in the Princeton forum who is trying to exchange meaningful and constructive information. It would appear, given the timing as well as the saturation, that this is not a sincere poster and member, but someone with a very negative and destructive agenda.</p>
<p>Jomjom has actually posted more on the Columbia forum (63 times) than the Princeton forum (54 times) but most of the Columbia postings are about whether a Barnard student gets a degree from Columbia or not (certainly worth 60 or so posts). 4th house is correct in that most of jomjom’s bashing is directed towards Princeton. My suspicion is that jomjom’s postings will die down after May 1 when decisions have been made. I don’t know why the Princeton forum attracts these sorts of people, but it really makes rational discourse difficult and I apologize to Baelor and people with genuine questions, because this type of back and forth is not particularly helpful.</p>
<p>And by the way I live in Silicon Valley and have worked here as an executive for probably longer than jomjom has been alive. Just in case credentials have value.</p>
<p>Agreed. Reading jomjom’s posts reminds me of this:</p>
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<p>I really appreciate the feedback. Also, jomjom inadvertantly harms his own cause by compelling others to defend Princeton, so new facts and numbers (that are actually useful/accurate) get brought into the mix.</p>
<p>I would love to hear more opinions, and will respond/ask questions more completely tonight, when I’m back from stanford and not typing on my phone.</p>
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<p>This is complete nonsense… everyone knows it…
Following the same logic, NYU must be equal to Princeton</p>
<p>Actually, I believe that many people agree with my statement, except insofar as the issue of name recognition is concerned. Harvard is definitely a more recognized brand. However, in terms of undergraduate strength, which is what I am basically discussing, as I have said on many occasions, there are a number of incredibly strong schools in the US and Harvard and Princeton are among them. </p>
<p>Your main points seem to be that Harvard has a lower acceptance rate and higher yield and wins the cross admit battle and that makes it a stronger school. You know nothing about the quality of undergraduate life, the strength of the administration, the genius of the faculty or any of the measurements that truly define a school. </p>
<p>I guess I should just be glad that you will never go to Princeton, because frankly, I think that Princeton would be poorer for your presence.</p>
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<p>By saying so, I guess that you are just lower the standard of Princeton. Hopefully the people from Princeton don’t think this way.</p>
<p>Does ewho=jomjom?</p>
<p>Anyway, a simple question: In terms of overall prestige and name recognition, who wins – Stanford or Princeton? Is it likely to stay that way in the future?</p>
<p>Jomjom, we already know your answer.</p>
<p>@Baelor, your guess is wrong. Your guess implies ewho=jomjom= mln of other people. 
I have nothing to against Princeton which is within 20 miles from my home. I think that I explained to you my reasons before, and at this time, it is better for you to go to Princeton since you can not overcome the prestige problem. In the end you will be a Princeton educated, if this is what you are looking for. It is not that Princeton goes down, but Stanford goes up. Read yesterday’s usnews Graduate School Rankings, and you may find more info to convince yourself. On the other hand, I probably want you to go to Princeton and leave space for those who really want to go to Stanford. If they have 73% yield this year, there will not be many people who come off the waitlist. Princeton is an institution, it may have some problems now, but it will become what it was. Just don’t look at the admission rate/yield/grade inflation. I can assure that those problems will be gone in a near future.</p>
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<p>Funny You did not mention anything about the quality and strength of student body of Princeton. Harvard students do not need great genius faculty, administrations…etc.
because Harvard students themselves are genius and great. </p>
<p>Bill Gates built the most successful software company and he learned all the software skills by himself. He didn’t need good faculty and administrations. </p>
<p>Harvard math freshmen students already know all of undergrad level math and some of them even take PhD level courses during the first semester. Harvard have won Putnam math competition 30 times ( while Princeton winning only once) </p>
<p>I belive many of the Harvard undergrads are already smarter than profs… and they don’t need great faculty. They all have ability to learn by themselves.</p>
<p>My guess is that Princeton students can’t even make a full use of Princeton’s resources…
and that is why many Princeton graduates are rejected by top law, medicial, business schools and their employments are limited to small boutique financial firms…</p>
<p>Jomjom, that is such a ridiculous post. Maybe this is all a parody and you’re just messing with us, but you really should stop posting here. You’re making a fool of yourself. Harvard students are generally pretty similar to those who go to Princeton. Most of them have worked hard during high school and have some meaningful extracurricular activities that they have been committed to. A few are legacies/athletes/development cases who are not really up to the intellectual rigor of the school and a few are just incredible and will change the world. But I could say the same thing about Stanford students and Yale students and MIT students. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.</p>
<p><em>Maybe</em> this is all a parody?</p>
<p>Come on, guys. jomjom is one of the most obvious ■■■■■■ I’ve ever seen. Every time you respond to him, you are getting played by somebody who outsmarted you.</p>
<p>If we are going to compare schools, could we (read: jomjom) compare the two I am considering at least? Stanford is clearly gaining ground and digging its heels into its position in HYPS. It is already splitting cross-admits with Yale 50-50. Given that I also really enjoyed Stanford, part of hesitation comes from the idea of me picking Princeton and seeing Stanford shoot up in 4, 10, 20, whatever years to school whose prestige has left all but Harvard in the dust. It seems silly, but I don’t want to make a decision I’ll regret.</p>
<p>My father was a professor at Stanford for years and his wife a fund-raiser there. It’s a great place. But it’s not going to happen that Stanford takes what Princeton loses. First of all, there are room for 4, 5,6, top schools in the US. If not more. As more international students come to the US for education, the demand for quality will increase all around. Second of all, Princeton has the money. That’s how you get the great professors and great students over time. Proximity to New York and a lovely setting makes it even better. Dr. Tilghman is growing the school and increasing facilities in arts and neuroscience and chemistry etc. on purpose to make sure Princeton actually stays in line with Yale and Harvard rather than becoming a Dartmouth etc. Finally, Stanford is in California. It’s different than the East Coast and will always be different. Look at the large majority of kids at Stanford who are Californians. It has not yet become a pan-USA school at the undergrad level. Close, but not yet.</p>
<p>All that matters is which place you like better, geographically, socially, academically.</p>
<p>By the time you’ve spent a few years in the workforce, your degree won’t be remembered by your employers or colleagues. College is a beginning, not an end, and once you’re out people will care a lot more about what you’ve done than where you spent four years. (Note: this is just stuff that I’ve heard from people who are actually out of college, repackaged. But IMX it’s the attitude of virtually everybody who’s out of their early twenties.) If you go to grad or preprofessional school, that will matter way more than where you did your undergrad.</p>
<p>So even if, over the next 20 years, Princeton makes an impossibly rapid decline in stature to, say, Cornell’s level (<em>gasp</em>), the worst that I can see happening is, you’ll talk to somebody’s 18-year-old kid and they’ll ask you where you went to college and you’ll say “Princeton” and if that kid is really uninformed he might walk away with the idea that you weren’t <em>quite</em> one of the top members of your graduating year in high school.</p>
<p>Which is silly, but if it’s your concern then I can say that I’m sure you’re not the only admit thinking about this, and that I actually sympathize a little. (The idea of getting less recognition for your high school achievements than you could’ve is surprisingly painful.) But my advice is to make yourself ignore it. Because it really is silly.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is all academic, because I can all but guarantee you that Princeton will still be considered a member of the very top tier of colleges twenty years from now. Remember that you’re talking about one of the oldest and most well-known institutions (of any kind) in the US; the general reputations of these things don’t change much from decade to decade. Whether it will still be more prestigious than Stanford is hard to say – heck, there’s a lot of debate over whether it’s more prestigious than Stanford right now. (Correct answer: depends where you live.)</p>
<p>Conclusion: prestige is probably a wash. The likelihood of two years of high admit rates sending Princeton flying down the USNWR rankings is extremely low, particularly in the near future, which is all that’s relevant. Go to the place you like better.</p>
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<p>I don’t think that Princeton did better at selecting students geographically, enough from its neighbors NJ/NY/PA.</p>
<p>Geographic Distribution of the Class of 2012 at Harvard, Princeton and Penn
State – Harvard, Princeton, Penn
Alabama – 5, 7, 9
Alaska – 1, 3, 3
Arizona – 16, 6, 16
Arkansas – 1, 1, 3
California – 189, 148, 219
Colorado – 8, 7, 24
Connecticut – 44, 47, 77
Delaware – 5, 4, 7
District of Columbia – 14, 7, 19
Florida – 51, 49, 81
Georgia – 25, 26, 32
Hawaii – 8, 5, 7
Idaho – 1, 0, 3
Illinois – 49, 32, 50
Indiana – 10, 4, 10
Iowa – 3, 4, 9
Kansas – 2, 4, 6
Kentucky – 7, 4, 11
Louisiana – 2, 3, 9
Maine – 9, 5, 5
Maryland – 40, 66, 114
Massachusetts – 216, 58, 82
Michigan – 20, 15, 24
Minnesota – 15, 8, 23
Mississippi – 1, 2, 1
Missouri – 12, 11, 19
Montana – 1, 0, 5
Nebraska – 2, 1, 5
Nevada – 5, 3, 3
New Hampshire – 26, 4, 6
New Jersey – 59, 168, 243
New Mexico – 11, 0, 10
New York – 193, 133, 297
North Carolina – 12, 16, 16
North Dakota – 1, 1, 3
Ohio – 30, 16, 35
Oklahoma – 6, 8, 6
Oregon – 6, 8, 21
Pennsylvania – 48, 77, 397
Rhode Island – 10, 1, 7
South Carolina – 8, 4, 6
South Dakota – 0, 1, 2
Tennessee – 14, 13, 20
Texas – 67, 37, 67
Utah – 5, 3, 7
Vermont – 5, 2, 5
Virginia – 25, 48, 50
Washington – 22, 7, 17
West Virginia – 4, 3, 3
Wisconsin – 11, 9, 12
Wyoming – 1, 0, 2</p>
<p>You do realize that Princeton has far less undergrads than Harvard and only about half as many as Penn, right?</p>
<p>Admission Rates for the Class of 2013 at Top Universities
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<p>School Admitted Applied %
Harvard 2046 29112 7.02
Yale 1951 26000 7.50
Stanford 2300 30428 7.56
Princeton 2150 21964 9.79
Columbia 2497 25428 9.82
MIT 1597 15661 10.20
Brown 2708 24988 10.83
Dartmouth 2184 18130 12.05
Penn 3926 22939 17.11
Cornell 6567 34381 19.10</p>
<p>Who knows what enlightening proof the blindingly brilliant jomjom is going to use next? Maybe quote Gossip Girl, “Princeton is a trade school. There is only Yale”? :)</p>