<p>per·sev·er·a·tion (pər-sěv’ə-rā’shən)<br>
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<pre><code> 1. Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.
2. The tendency to continue or repeat an act or activity after the cessation of the original stimulus.
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<p>God, I hate that jomjom’s so clearly just provoking people but he still takes the time to make decent arguments. Doesn’t that violate some law of ■■■■■■■■?</p>
<p>Anyway, in that link he posted above, Princeton actually does better than Stanford in the number of students it sends to Yale Law, per capita, but there’s no denying that Yale and Harvard students get preferential treatment there. Presumably Stanford kids also get preferential treatment at Stanford Law, and it’s probably correct to say that, if you’re planning to go to law or med school, a Princeton UG degree won’t give you a leg up at any particular institution, whereas a Yale, Harvard, or Stanford degree will help feed you to Yale, Harvard, or Stanford’s law/med school, respectively.</p>
<p>And that’s something you might want to consider. (Of course you should also note that we have no idea how many kids applied to Yale Law from each school, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that a lot more Yalies and Harvardians apply to law school than Princetonians. But it’s clearly true that the data that jomjom gave us puts Yale and Harvard in a better light than Princeton in regards to law school admissions.)</p>
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<p>Ok I admit the legitimacy of WSJ ranking. Princeton UG gets excellent education and make $5000 more. </p>
<p>I guess Princeton UG education make you choose $5000 additional /year instead of JD MD Phds.</p>
<p>Yea, Princeton does SO horribly when it comes to graduate school admissions:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf[/url]”>http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf</a></p>
<p>trominos–</p>
<p>the wall street journal feeder info, while admittedly a little old and reflecting law, business and medical school admissions, would seem to indicate that Princeton does extremely well in admissions to top graduate schools. When you consider that Princeton does not have any of these schools to bump up its numbers (because obviously undergraduate schools favor their own in the graduate process), I would argue that Princeton and Yale are effectively tied or at least that Yale doesn’t do particularly better than Princeton. Harvard, with three top graduate schools, is definitely able to give its students a boost.</p>
<p>Well WSJ ranking is for top 15 grad schools admissions…</p>
<p>We already know that HYS law med business schools are dominated by HYS UGs respectively… I am sure there are many openings for Princeton UGs at schools like UCLA law schools.</p>
<p>jomjom</p>
<p>For medicine, the schools used by the WSJ were Columbia, Harvard; Johns Hopkins, the University of California, San Francisco and Yale. For MBA programs, the schools were Chicago, Dartmouth, Harvard, MIT and Wharton. In law, the schools were Chicago, Columbia, Harvard, Michigan and Yale.</p>
<p>I am not writing this to argue with jomjom, who will obviously never be able to get into any of these schools, due to deficiencies in intelligence, logic and english language skills. However, for posters such as the OP and trominos, Princeton is doing just fine in the realm of top graduate schools.</p>
<p>Ahh… Stanford Law Med Business schools are missing… that is very logical choice.</p>
<p>I’m going crazy. I was all set to pick Princeton, and I still want to go there. But the prestige issue is still killing me. I honestly can’t get my head around it. I just Googled random rankings, and Princeton and Stanford switched places, but Stanford did enjoy a better reputation on average. I don’t know whether it’s because of the grad schools or because of the sample bias toward West Coast applicants, but I honestly still feel torn over something as small as prestige. I can’t ignore it. How does the prestige between the two actually compare? I know it’s so stupid, but it’s honestly driving me nuts and I will not be able to pick one without reconciling this with myself.</p>
<p>If you are on the west coast (particularly the Bay Area), Stanford will be regarded as, marginally, the better school (the Bay Area has a surprising amount of Stanford pride). If you are in Asia, Stanford will be regarded as more prestigious. From what I’ve heard, most other places on the planet will regard Princeton as more prestigious. (Certainly the people I know in the northeast consider it slightly “higher” than Stanford; everything I know about the midwest and south is hearsay, but the generalization I’ve heard is that, outside of California, it’s HYP and then everything else. I’m pretty sure Europe tends to see Princeton as slightly more prestigious than Stanford, too.)</p>
<p>I’d say that most of the “prestige difference” will just be regional pride expressing itself. Both will be regarded as “top tier” everywhere. Only really ignorant people will ever think of asking, “How could you choose Stanford over Princeton?” or vice versa. (Turning down Harvard is the only way to consistently get that response if you go to YPS.)</p>
<p>Just make yourself commit. The worry will go away.</p>
<p>It’s all about perception. Some people like “new” and “California,” while others like “old” and “the Northeast.” Their prestige perceptions run along the same lines. </p>
<p>I’m from the Northeast. Most people around here regard the rest of the country, Cali included, as some other country, and not necessarily a better one. Total regional bias. I never met anyone around these parts who thinks any top college outside of the Northeast is on par with any top college in the Northeast. They not only regard ALL of the Ivies as more prestigious than Stanford; many are also apt to regard schools such as Johns Hopkins, MIT, CMU, Amherst, Williams, Georgetown, and NYU as superior in prestige. </p>
<p>Now, before I start to get flamed, I am not saying for a minute that I agree with any of that, personally. But it does makes me wonder if people in the South think similarly about Duke and Rice, people in the Midwest worship at the alter of Chicago, NWU, and ND, while people in the West think nothing can top Stanford, Cat Tech and Berkeley. </p>
<p>In conclusion then, isn’t prestige all a matter where you live?</p>
<p>If you really care about prestige, then you need to get graduate degree like JD, MD, PhD, MBA from top schools. Someone at age 40 with BA Harvard only doesn’t look prestige unless you are billionaire, senator etc… Do you really want to spend rest of your life with BA degree only ?<br>
It is well known that Harvard Yale Stanford Columbia Law school/med PhD MBA programs
admit their own UG applicant the most. As shown in post #62, “”“Princeton UG degree won’t give you a leg up at any particular institution, whereas a Yale, Harvard, or Stanford degree will help feed you to Yale, Harvard, or Stanford’s law/med school, respectively”“”</p>
<p>jomjom: Someone at age 40 with a Harvard BA doesn’t look “prestige” no matter what post-grad degree they got. Educational credentials stop mattering much to individual prestige a long time before middle age.</p>
<p>And don’t quote me as if I know what I’m talking about. Or at all.</p>
<p>4th house: the perception in California is not as harsh on eastern schools. Like I said, most people out here consider Stanford second only to Harvard (or none), but Yale and then Princeton really aren’t far behind. I don’t think anybody really thinks UCB is more prestigious than HYP (or any of the ivies, in fact – maybe Cornell or another lower ivy). Caltech is pretty unknown in the Bay Area.</p>
<p>So it could be fair to say that Princeton’s “average” prestige across the northeast and the west coast is higher than Stanford’s.</p>
<p>Baelor, you are overthinking and over-worrying WAY too much. There is practically no difference in relative prestige, and it will stay that way for a long time. There is no reason to worry. If you think Princeton fits you more, go for it.</p>
<p>I can attest to the favoring of Stanford over every other school, but Harvard, on the West Coast. I tell people I am going to Yale, and they are decently impressed, while everyone is amazed at the kid (URM) who is going to Stanford. Princeton is definitely on Yale’s level in that regard, as me telling people I applied to Princeton elicited similar reactions, while me telling them I applied to Standford was met with more enthusiasm and amazement. A relative prestige chart would look like this:</p>
<p>H/S</p>
<p>M</p>
<p>Y/P</p>
<p>C</p>
<p>MIT is more well known than Yale or Princeton, although I’m not sure why.</p>
<p>Well, I’m in the nW and although Stanford is far more popular, I think HYP are regarded as on par with Stanford. My dad said that when he tells people I got into S and P, they say “wow…Princeton.”. Okay, I guess it doesn’t matter. I care more about prestige on the east coast and in Europe anyway.</p>
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<p>on the east coast, it’s the COMPLETE opposite.</p>
<p>I believe that Princeton, for what it’s worth, is more prestigious than Stanford on the East Coast and in Europe. Where I live on the east coast, basically it’s HYP and then everything else. In Europe, where I have numerous cousins, the only schools they have heard of are HYP (with Harvard a much more known name). Stanford is not really part of the discussion.</p>
<p>Bottom line is that Stanford and Princeton are both very prestigious and known names, but if you’re interested in the East Coast and Europe, as you mentioned, Princeton has the edge.</p>
<p>Princeton students frequently use the word HYP, as if HYP are equal…
In reality, HYP are not equal. Many ranking show that there is huge gap between HY and P… And I sense that Princeton students have some inferiority complex.</p>
<p>Princeton’s reputation depends only on Undergrad education. In a world, where graduate degrees carry real prestige, Princeton’s prestige won’t last long. and it has already fallen behind Stanford and MIT…</p>
<p>anyone else find it strange that jomjom, as a princeton basher, is spending this much time on a princeton board?</p>
<p>Ok yes, let’s just say that P is less prestigious to the public than HYSM as you stated. There, do you feel better now? Can we now stop arguing about this? My choice of school is not dependent upon its prestige unfortunately.</p>