Private admissions counselor?

<p>Yeah I don’t know that the writing portion is being ignored by most schools. Schools that used to recommend a writing SAT II now no longer do that and instead take the writing of the SAT I. </p>

<p>As for a private counselor, I think that depends on your personal situation. If you really have the time and the desire to dive into the process and help your D, you can probably do it on your own with books, CC, and the help of other parents (Assuming most of the parents at your kid’s school have college bound kids). </p>

<p>As for help with the essay, remember that teachers can be a great resource (same goes for college questions in general). If your D has a good relationship with one of her English teachers, she could ask one of them if they’d read her essay and give feedback. </p>

<p>Also, maybe at least give the school counselor a try. She may be rumored to be bad, and maybe she really is, but maybe that’s also just a rumor. Even a bad counselor can provide some assistance and you’ll need the counselor for part of the application at least.</p>

<p>medavinci, your daughter is in 10th grade and you’ve been stressing about the college admissions process since she was in 8th grade? You have 100 books about college admissions? </p>

<p>Take a deep breath…and stop. Really. You are winding yourself up needlessly. Ultimately it’s going to be counterproductive. Either your daughter is going to get just as stressed out as you currently are, or your daughter is going to blow the entire process off and go to a CUNY just to escape from the madness ;). </p>

<p>It’s clear that you care and that you want to do your best for your daughter. Yet much of the advice you mentioned is, at best, misguided. For instance: Students applying to college don’t mention on their resumes that they’ve been taking CTY programs since 5th grade. There are high schools besides Andover where the college admissions people recognize that the classes are harder than average. If the kid isn’t at one of those schools, they still recognize when a kid has taken the most challenging curriculum possible, which might mean only one AP. Or none. It’s OK to do an activity because you love it, not because you are the lead or editor. I think “What High Schools Don’t Tell You” is the book that suggests that you the parent secretly have your kid get a recommendation for prestigious summer programs like TASP without alerting any other students at the school that they could apply; what the author of WHSDTY doesn’t tell you is that these programs are so incredibly competitive that if your kid has to resort to that kind of subterfuge to get nominated, they haven’t got a shot in heck of being accepted. </p>

<p>There’s a lot more, but you get the idea.</p>

<p>The most important part of your post is this bit:</p>

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<p>Bingo. This is the crux of the matter. It doesn’t make any difference if your child gets into Harvard or Brown if you are not going to be able to afford to send her there. You cannot do this by digging up the small outside scholarships at $1000 or $500k a pop. What you need is big merit aid, which is generally offered by schools looking to attract strong students. The first piece of good news is that you’ve got a bright hard-working child who will be able to find wonderful schools. The other good news is that you can bow out of the crazy-making pressure at your child’s school and come search for answers here. It’ll cost you far less than $30k, or even $5k. You’ll even learn why it is that 4.0/2400 kids can get turned down, while other students with imperfect records are accepted. Best of all, you’ll end up with a happy kid instead of yet another stressed-out oboe-hating student.</p>

<p>If you haven’t already, start reading the financial aid and merit aid forums or threads. Ask questions (short posts are fine :slight_smile: ). Run a FAFSA estimator to see at minimum how much your family will be expected to pay for college per year. Ask more questions here. </p>

<p>Hang in there!</p>

<p>I agree with Slithey - - relax - - all of us!</p>

<p>Our kids will have a better chance of succeeding in LIFE beyond college if we encourage them to “bloom where they are planted.” As I was reassured years ago as I lamented that we have no private school option in our area, “private schools have their own set of problems.” There is no perfect high school or perfect college, and there obviously is no set formula to get from one to the next even if they do happen to exist.</p>

<p>Live life, learn, look for or create opportunities, and follow your instincts. S was not prepped or packaged for ivy and is making his way. He would do the same if he’d gone to state U. D is on her own path, too, and will be successful wherever she ends up. Your children will, too.</p>

<p>I definitely agree with relaxing. I survived the admissions roller-coaster twice with my first two kids and I watched all of their friends go through it. I think everything happens for a reason and pretty much everyone is happy where they ended up (even when it wasn’t their first choice). Actually the few that are unhappy are at their first choice schools. It might help to use a college counselor just to relieve some of the stress. I also found that yoga really helped relieve the stress of living with teenagers.</p>

<p>Well, top schools will meet need or you or the kid can borrow. I disagree with advice often given here on this. If a top school is a priority for your family, you can make it happen. Ivies will meet full need.</p>

<p>I agree that the student should include the reach schools and see how the FA may fall. But “meets full need” means different things at different schools.</p>

<p>For example, our EFA was computed very differently by each of 3 universities. As I recall, there was a $10,000/year difference.</p>

<p>In terms of using a college councilor to pick a college, you are paying quite a lot of money for a crap shoot. If the councilor is good, and the student isn’t looking to apply for the best of the best schools, the councilor certainly might be able to provide useful suggestions that you may not have considered yourself. </p>

<p>Otherwise all they are going to tell you is some variation of: visit, and make sure to apply to safety schools and reach schools. </p>

<p>In terms of application advice, unless they have some reason to be good, its likely that they don’t know much more than you about crafting a solid cohesive application that will get a student admitted. </p>

<p>A lot of information about such things is available in popular books. If you want a person to guide you through crafting the application, it might be better to hire someone that specializes in things like that through a site like [url=&lt;a href=“http://■■■■■■■■■■%5DGurufi%5B/url”&gt;http://■■■■■■■■■■]Gurufi[/url</a>], instead of taking a chance with an arbitrary college consultant.</p>

<p>I would recommend you start here, and start thinking about hiring someone only after you get overwhelmed by something. This will also make it much easier for you to understand exactly what it is that you need professional help with.</p>

<p>medavinci–I borrowed “What High Schools Don’t Tell You” from the library and read the best parts to my children (now 10th and 12th-graders). To us, it read like a parody. While the book might have a few good ideas for a child who already has a passion for something that you’d like to help her be able to explore further, the whole premise of the book is wrong. The premise is that you can and should orchestrate your child’s four years of high school. Have your child take Ancient Greek the summer after her freshman year, so the summer after her sophomore year she can … Right. Please don’t take the book seriously, and don’t let it stress you out!</p>

<p>My two children are very different from each other. My daughter loves to explore many different activities and wants to be involved in a variety of things, even if it means she gets six hours of sleep a night. My son loves to play tennis, and does so almost every day, to the exclusion of everything but homework. I cannot imagine taking control of either child’s life and orchestrating it for four years. I would rather keep my happy children who enjoy what they’ve chosen to do than turn them into children who resent me because I force them into activities solely for their impact on college applications.</p>

<p>I was the admissions counselor here. No special talent, just someone who enjoys research. ;)</p>

<p>Estimated Family Contribution (to borrow from long-time CC legend Curmudgeon) means “Every Freakin’ Cent.” That number is what the school feels you can pay, not what YOU feel you can pay. The FA folks don’t care about the size of your mortgage or your credit card bills. If you are divorced/remarried, educate yourself about what FAFSA and CSS/PROFILE will expect from your former and/or current spouse. If you have your own business, FA will assess things differently. There are folks here who have expertise on that. Run an EFC calculator. Add more $$ to that figure.</p>

<p>Be honest with your child about what your family can reasonably afford. If your kid needs to focus on getting merit $$, look at schools where her stats put her in the very top of the pool. Yes, there are some schools where you can win the Financial Aid lottery – but there are MANY students applying for one of those golden tickets. </p>

<p>What not all high schools will tell you – your student should take SAT-IIs after completing the relevant class. Some schools’ classes are better at covering what the SAT-II covers than others. Sometimes the teachers will know how the class and exam correlate. A $15 test book can help cover areas the teacher didn’t. Both my kids’s high schools had dozens of donated test books that were available for free. Math Level II can be taken right after pre-calc. No calc on the exam. If your kid is taking AP US History, there is a very strong correlation to the SAT-II subject test. June SAT-II spots fill up early. Not all SAT-IIs are offered at every sitting (esp. important for kids taking foreign language with listening exams). I tried to be aware of this kind of stuff so that we didn’t have to worry about testing during senior year (esp. important for kids with fall sports). </p>

<p>Some kids do better on the ACT than the SAT. Rather than taking the SAT n+1 times, try taking the ACT instead.</p>

<p>We were lucky that at S1’s HS, there are parents and teachers who “pay it forward” with what they have learned about the process and how it relates to kids at this particular program. When three different people soph year suggested we check out Harvey Mudd as being a good fit for my son, S1 took a serious look, liked it a LOT, and then he started looking for other schools with similar characteristics.</p>

<p>Both my kids’ schools used Naviance, which turned out to be darned accurate.</p>

<p>We used CC’s College Karma $150 StatsEval for a quick reality check of each kid’s list and to see if we were missing anything obvious. Did this the summer before senior year, once we had APs and test scores.</p>

<p>I spent lots of time on CC sorting the wheat from the chaff as far as advice on lists, FA, activity resumes, etc.</p>

<p>I got a few books from the library – Michele Hernandez, The Overachievers, Letting Go, a book or two on essays. Letting Go was definitely the most useful, though not directly related to college admissions. The other books served for me as warnings about what NOT to do, and the essay books didn’t impress me.</p>

<p>If your D’s HS has a questionnaire for the juniors (and/or parents) to complete for the GC rec, take it seriously. It is a great chance to start putting ideas and thoughts to paper and getting some ideas for essays. </p>

<p>S1’s research class junior year had to write resumes as part of the search for a mentor for summer research projects. This was extremely helpful with college apps – he had to collect all that info EARLY, get it organized into something that made sense, and it showed some trends in his interests that provided material for later essays. S2 was at a different program, but after seeing how helpful it was for S1, I had S2 do the resume early as well. Recognize that the resume will change between spring of junior year and December of senior year, but by that point it’s just editing. It’s having the framework that is useful.</p>

<p>All that said, my kids were happy to talk to us about this stuff. The process brought up a lot of funny stories and reminiscing. S2 wrote his Common App activity essay while we were on a camping trip. He was making beef bourguignon over a campfire and the muse struck. He had been agonizing for weeks about which EC to write about – and while he was stirring, it came to him – his love of cooking, the social pleasure of bringing people together, the challenges of cooking over an open fire, experimenting with the chemistry, the links to history, the joy of all those interwoven connections. It just flowed. From a kid who has fought for every word, this was a one-draft essay. </p>

<p>As far as essays – the hardest part, IMO, is <em>psychologically</em> getting to the point where the kiddo is ready to share some deeply held thoughts and beliefs. It also means they need to accept the reality that this is the first step towards leaving home – and I have no doubt a lot of HS senior writer’s block has to do with the very mixed feelings they have about this new phase of life (even if they act like they can’t WAIT to get the heck outta there!). Once they climb over that wall, at least at our house, the writing started flowing. </p>

<p>This thinking requires quiet and reflection, things our kids all too often don’t have time to do. As a parent, I tried to make sure they had as much free time as possible during this stage of the process. I know other parents have shared that having their kid work on apps from 1-3 pm on a Sunday (or other scheduled time frame) worked well, but not for us. The college app process took up a good part of our family’s energy and attention – it was a year-long quasi-celebratory, organic event marking a passage. That will probably makes some parents run screaming from the room about now! :D</p>

<p>I think for my D '08 and S '10 the essays were very difficult because they had no idea who they were (or possibly how great they are), so definitely I think the earlier you start that process the better. Getting them started is the hard part and where I think (but I could be wrong) possibly a private educational counselor could help get the ball rolling. S’10 ended up writing at least 7 different essays for different applications (some were “re-tooled” to fit the prompt for others but at least in some ways were different). He ended up getting them done and had a very successful admissions cycle, but the process was stressful for me (have you started your xxy essay yet? ) which is why I am considering a counselor for S’13.</p>

<p>medavinci, does your daughter’s school have Naviance? Your best read on your daughter’s chances for admission at tippy-top colleges is looking at her high school’s record on placement. Some high schools may send a handful of their students to the most selective colleges. Other high schools may be sending dozens. Your daughter’s GC should be your best resource here.</p>

<p>medavinci- The top ivy schools are simply lying to you when they say SAT will soon count for less. The truth is that SAT’s are treated very differently for hooked versus non-hooked applicants. What they really mean is that once an non-hooked applicant surpasses a certain score 2250-2300 then the SAT counts for very little. However almost all the non-hooked admissions will come from this group. Keep in mind that at the very top schools the non-hooked applicants are all competing for maybe the 30% of the seats not taken by hooked applicants. These schools also admit a large number of foriegn URM and athletes as well. They shouldn’t but they do.</p>

<p>My 2 cents: private adm conselors can be very effective. I’ve heard about a few success stories. </p>

<p>On the other end, RE: post #2: It’s true that all the info can be found online. But, it’s like getting a personal trainer… You spend $100 per hour to have someone ask you to do 1 more push-up… and it works for some people. Some people (including myself in both cases) don’t need it. </p>

<p>To sum it up in one word: Discipline.</p>