<p>“^ Axel, keep in mind the caliber of Dartmouth students. With average unweighted high school GPA’s of about 4.0 and SAT’s around 2200, the median Dartmouth student could likely go to their local state school and make the same A- in a class that’s curved to a C.”</p>
<p>Doubt it. At places like UCLA, Cal, UVA, GT, etc., the caliber of students is similar to what you would find at Dartmouth. Dartmouth students would have a pretty hard time at those schools.</p>
<p>^ UCLA, Cal, UVA are prestigious flagship universities(although none of them have as strong of a median student as Dartmouth…dart is much smaller and can be more selective)…their “local state school” is probably not one of those schools. it could be CSU Northridge or Virginia State. also, most people do not live in a state with an awesome flagship like Virginia or California</p>
<p>UVA is NOT the flagship university in Virginia. Them’s fightin’ words to students and alumni from William and Mary, Virginia Tech and James Madison University, among others.</p>
<p>^ calm down. no one cares. general public still thinks UVA is the flagship. maybe W&M can also make claim(like UCLA can)</p>
<p>From my personal experience (ChemE)</p>
<p>Introductory Engineering Class- Class was fairly easy but there was a lot of long lab reports, I personally would consider it a weed-out but probably on a smaller scale.</p>
<p>third quarter Gen Chem - Total weed out class, 2 long labs a week, fairly challenging tests, a lot of material covered in 10 weeks, and A was something like a 92%</p>
<p>Differential Equations- I didnt think it was hard per say but there was a lot of annoying homework and the grades were based off a total of 7 questions (2 questions on two midterms and 3 questions on the final)</p>
<p>OChem- Personally I dont think it was too bad but in order to succeed you had to put considerable effort.</p>
<p>First ChemE class- A lot of homework and fairly difficult tests.</p>
<p>So, then would you also say that U of Arizona is the flagship school in Arizona? U Michigan is the flagship school in Michigan? U of Florida in Florida? The list goes on. I believe that alumni from Arizona State, Michigan State, and Florida State might disagree. Are they extremely strong state schools? Yes. Flagships? No. Oh, wait, you don’t care.</p>
<p>^Dunno about Arizona, but UF is definitely the flagship compared to FSU, and UMich is definitely the flagship compared to MSU. They’re all good schools, but that’s just how it is, and that’s what the general public thinks. It’s not really a debate, lol. Calm down</p>
<p>Hence why the state of Maryland rocks, we have one undisputed flagship university 
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<p>Although I’m sure in the coming years as UMBC starts to really get recognized that there’ll be the same argument.</p>
<p>Michigan also has one undisputed flagship university.</p>
<p>And Ohio. And Wisconsin. And Iowa…</p>
<p>"So, then would you also say that U of Arizona is the flagship school in Arizona? U Michigan is the flagship school in Michigan? U of Florida in Florida? The list goes on. I believe that alumni from Arizona State, Michigan State, and Florida State might disagree. Are they extremely strong state schools? Yes. Flagships? No. Oh, wait, you don’t care. "</p>
<p>All three of those “U of” examples are much, MUCH better than their “state” counterparts. Perhaps you need a different example.</p>
<p>PDM, that’s why we’re all in a special tier of coolness </p>
<p>As far as “weeder” courses go, any course that is an important prerequisite for other courses becomes a “weeder” course by default. Those teaching such courses have an incentive to ensure that students learn enough to use the course knowledge in later courses, and to ensure that a passing grade gives an indication that the student is capable of using the course knowledge in later courses.</p>
<p>That is why freshman/sophomore level math and science courses are commonly viewed as “weeders” in comparison to humanities and social studies courses. The latter are much less commonly prerequisites to other courses in the same or other departments, so there is less incentive to make them “hard”.</p>
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<p>I honestly don’t think Va tech & JMU come close to UVA</p>
<p>A flagship school is generally considered by many to be a large, state-supported, either land-grant or liberal arts university with with strong academic and research programs at the undergraduate and graduate levels. So, while UVA enjoys a stronger academic reputation in many programs, it is not the only university in VA that meets the above requirements.</p>
<p>^ this isn’t a high school debate contest where the first speaker defines the terms to fit his argument. the only definition of flagship unrelated to ships on dictionary.com is:
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<p>now please stop ruining the thread with your senseless point</p>