<p>Organic Chemistry? Physics II? Are there any other classes–no matter the major–that people REALLY struggle in?</p>
<p>First year of the architecture studios - more than half of the prospective majors usually drop out.</p>
<p>Any intro Philosophy class should give you a good idea of how suited you are to the discipline in general (A's are very hard to come by). The same is true of Computer Science, which is one of the hardest majors at Penn.</p>
<p>Organic Chemistry isn't really that bad, it's just that there are so many pre-meds who take it, and they all study very hard and bring up the exam averages... I took Orgo last year and got a B+, but I had great professors and really enjoyed what I learned</p>
<p>Comp sci can in no way be considered a "weeder" course. If anything, the only weeder courses I've experienced are the sciences...and even then, it's only because they set the curve pretty low. They aren't spectacularly difficult (except Orgo, but that's orgo, so the pre-meds can have their fun).</p>
<p>yeah i second what jcoveney said. intro bio and chem have ridiculously low curves, which are discouraging if nothing else.</p>
<p>A lot of people struggle with Math 104.</p>
<p>Math 104 may be tough for some but it is hardly a weeder course. The curving is usually pretty adequate and in general it is just a very accessible course.</p>
<p>i agree with jose. after taking math 104, it did away with any thought of doing anything math/engineering related. and on top of that, my professor sucked. some people might say that the math department as a whole is a weed out, but when in rome.</p>
<p>I think that your comments are tainted, JCoveney, as you're a self-described "math nerd" who has not taken Math 104.</p>
<p>Math 104 is definitely a "weeder" course... it discourages a lot of people, even those that felt they were "really good" at math. Same goes for 114 -- the test averages for both classes are quite discouraging (they tend to hover around F's and D's). Many who wanted to pursue mathematics now hate math because of these courses.</p>
<p>Yeah, math104 is definitely a weeder. Even though I did not take it, that's what I've heard from absolutely everyone. I got credit for 104 and took 114 as my first math course at Penn this semester, and it wasn't that bad. The average for the final in my section was 14/18, which is about 78, which is not that bad and definitely not D or F. This is for Dr. DeTurck's section, though, but others are pretty similar.</p>
<p>The 114 class I took had a pretty bad teacher (I had to switch from DeTurck to the new guy)... the average for the first test was an F. Needless to say I didn't stick with the class long (before I even got my grade, lol) as I was taking it for no real reason anyway. DeTurck is a good teacher though.</p>
<p>architecture, eh?!</p>
<p>crap. I kinda picked it on a whim and now I'm starting to regret it. it interests me but I think to do well you have to reallly really love it. AGH. I hate picking majors!</p>
<p>We'll, like I always say, better a D at Penn than an A at Cornell.</p>
<p>Architecture is THE hardest major at Penn. No other students work as hard as the architecture majors, but no other students enjoy their life as much either.</p>
<p>They even get their own large drawing desks on the second floor of Addams hall.</p>
<p>People do badly in 104, especially ones who "know" math, because high school math is taught so atrociously. I'm not saying it's not hard...but it's just not up there with science courses that give very difficult tests and then set the curve super low to boot!</p>
<p>can you use a 5 on the bc calc to place out of math 104, are they roughly equivalent?</p>
<p>also, if anyone has a link to the specific site on whartons page where it talks about transferring from CAS to wharton i'd appreciate it. i saw it once but have looked again and couldn't find the exact page.</p>
<p>A 5 on bc calc is virtually the only way to test out of the damn thing. Or a 7 on HL Further Mathematics IB which is just stupidcrazy.</p>
<p>You can indeed. They are indeed "roughly" equivalent.</p>