Prof Charged with Fraud for No-show Classes

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<p>All of the student athletes have to achieve a minimum “NCAA” score to be accepted into any univiersity. If this minimum is too low, then lets raise it. Each University can also set minimum requirements.</p>

<p>The NCAA’s minimum requirements: </p>

<p>The CORE course requirements for Division I: With a minimum GPA of 2.00 and a SAT score of 1010 or ACT score of 86 (sum of all 4 scores)
4 years of English
2 years of Math (Algebra I or higher)
2 years of science (physical and natural; one must be a lab)
1 year of additional English, Math or Science
2 years of social; studies
3 years of additional core courses
14 CORE courses</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/orgs/PTSA/The_NCAA_Requirements_for_College_Athletes[1].pdf[/url]”>http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/orgs/PTSA/The_NCAA_Requirements_for_College_Athletes[1].pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Raising the standard to a 2.5 GPA would go a long ways to improving these students chances at college. Of course, you still would have to deal with all of the grade related shenanigans that happen in high school. </p>

<p>Don’t forget, most college “student-athletes” (including football) do graduate and do go on have have normal none sports related careers.</p>

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<p>I don’t think giving As to students who “shouldn’t” have gotten As can really be called fraud. The only actual case for fraud I can see is the forging of signatures for grade changes. I don’t see why they would go through doing that, couldn’t they have just made the classes even easier?</p>

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<p>Actually, MJ, I’d wager the vast majority of them.</p>

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<p>I’d be interested in what proof you have of this. The Ivy League has rules for admitting athletes and as far as I know, none of the Ivies violate them. If one did, the others would be screaming about it as it would enable the violator to dominate the conference in every sport.</p>

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<p>Remember years ago when the U of Georgia had a similar scandal? In that case, the class did meet. . I remember one question from the final: “How many halves does a basketball game have?”</p>

<p>Here’s some more questions from the exam:</p>

<p>What is the name of the exam which all high school seniors in the State of Georgia must pass? a. Eye Exam b. How Do The Grits Taste Exam c. Bug Control Exam d. Georgia Exit Exam</p>

<p>How many points does a 3-point field goal account for in a Basketball Game? a. 1 b. 2 c. 3 d. 4</p>

<p>Read more at <a href=“No-brainer college basketball exam released”>No-brainer college basketball exam released;

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<p>jonri – I know the students involved and am familiar with their high school academic records and their college situations. I respect your request for proof, but I can’t give it because I would have to identify the school or students, something I won’t do.</p>

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<p>If you aren’t willing to name the college, don’t post it publicly. This isn’t a one time thing with you either–you’ve made similar claims in the past. The Ivy League DOES enforce its rules.</p>

<p>However, it is NOT a violation of league rules to give athletes tutors to help them pass classes. Sometimes, those tutors are available to other students as well. For example, HEOP at various NY schools, including Columbia, offers tutoring to NY state residents who come from disadvantaged backgrounds.</p>

<p>Does being a varsity athlete help you get into an Ivy? Of course it does. That isn’t the same thing as giving As to athletes for classes that never meet or forging faculty signatures</p>

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<p>“I am sad that big money athletics can tarnish a proud and worthy institution.”</p>

<p>All kinds of students are attracted to UNC because of the appeal of “school spirit” (read: big-time athletics, and lots of alcohol.) Some of them are very, very good students indeed, but they like the work hard/play hard/rah rah milieu - it’s what they want and what their parents (especially OOS) are paying for. I can’t imagine them getting “up-in-arms”, or deciding not to attend another game until things are “cleaned up” (whatever that might mean.)</p>

<p>Not a knock on UNC in particular - it’s just an extension of high school.</p>

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<p>There are some universities where the NCAA GPA and test score requirement is higher than the university’s automatic frosh admission threshold. For example:
[url=<a href=“http://olemiss.edu/info/admissions/fresh_guide/]Office”>http://olemiss.edu/info/admissions/fresh_guide/]Office</a> of Admissions - Guide to Admissions<a href=“page%205;%20however,%20the%20high%20school%20course%20work%20requirements%20on%20page%204%20are%20slightly%20greater%20than%20the%20NCAA%20requirements,%20although%20the%20school%20also%20automatically%20admits%20applicants%20meeting%20the%20NCAA%20requirements”>/url</a></p>

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<p>^^^In defense of Ole Miss, it is not very selective (or maybe a better word is demanding) in admissions for all students, not just athletes. The 25% percentile for ACT composite score is 20, for math it’s 18 and for English it’s 20. About 25% of incoming freshman have a GPA between 2.0 and 2.99. </p>

<p>[The</a> University of Mississippi ? Institutional Research & Assessment](<a href=“http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/university_planning/institutional_research/cds/2011-2012/section_c.html]The”>http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/university_planning/institutional_research/cds/2011-2012/section_c.html)</p>

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<p>jonri – I will rephrase a sentence in order not to cloud the issue with a focus on the Ivy League. My intention was not to call out that conference (I have nothing but respect for the academic excellence of those universities) but rather to say that problems are pervasive in college football. Besides, if I were inclined to take a jab at any school, it would be Duke :slight_smile: (and warblersrule and SomeOldGuy are two of my favorite posters), but I will be the first to say that, as far as anyone can tell, Duke’s football coach is a decent, good man who runs a very clean football program.</p>

<p>So, here is a rephrased sentence: From the horrors at Penn State to schools that have players admitted as academic exceptions to play football and who are given grades that they do not deserve so that they can continue doing so, NCAA football is a morass of ethical problems.</p>

<p>mini – UNC is an outstanding academic institution. The atmosphere on campus is intellectual and energetic. Many, if not most, of the very brightest students from all over North Carolina aspire to go either to UNC or, for engineering, NC State. I have known students who turned down HYPS schools to come to UNC (often Moreheads), and those students are highly motivated to succeed and did not choose UNC so they could party.</p>

<p>Yes, UNC is a big sports school. The alcohol problems are no better and no worse than at most other colleges – and we know that alcohol problems are pervasive in nearly all types of colleges and universities, from the top to the bottom. My family and I are all nondrinkers who do not care for college drinking culture at all, so I am no defender of that. I would not pay for a child to go to a school to “work hard and play hard”. However, I would pay for a child to get a fine education, and UNC provides that.</p>

<p>Even the brightest, otherwise most healthy person can get cancer, and that is how I see the football scandal. It is like a malignancy that needs to be removed – now. It’s not at Stage 4 yet, but it doesn’t need to go there. While I will defend UNC’s overall academic reputation, I will not and never will defend UNC on this point. As I said before, I would at least suspend the football program, if not do away with it entirely.</p>

<p>I have extensive connections with both UNC students and alumni, and I assure you that there is a lot of outrage over the football situation. Admittedly, many of these people are not football fans anyway. Will football fans stop attending games? I wish they would, and I know some people who have stopped buying tickets. However, there are plenty of fans (many who are not students or alumni) who would gladly fill their seats. I think of Penn State. What a horrible situation that outraged every Penn State fan with a soul. Did they all stop attending football games? Has the stadium been empty yet? For that matter, how many people would gladly vote for a law to prevent paparazzi hounding of celebrities yet would click on an Internet link to see a picture (taken by, who else?, the paparazzi) of Angelina Jolie with one of her children? Does that indicate a lack of outrage, hypocrisy, or just plain human nature?</p>

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<p>The only reason this story is even IN the news yet again after nearly three years old is because UNC DID open their system up to a complete investigation and because they DO care and want to get it cleaned up.</p>

<p>The fact that a couple of NE reporters are currently interested in it? It doesn’t make it more interesting or more important than it was in '10. It also doesn’t make it new or news.</p>

<p>What is interesting is not that this went on, but that the University responded with a complete investigation, unlike most U’s in the B1G or SEC do when something of this nature is exposed or NOT exposed. </p>

<p>But, it’s been dealt with. It’s the reason Holden Thorpe is gone, among others. </p>

<p>The News and Observer is just a pro NCState paper. If they investigated at any SEC school the way they have investigated UNC? And, stuck to it? </p>

<p>It’s annoying, but it’s not nearly the issue people want it to be. It’s such old news.</p>

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<p>Hey! Leave the SEC out of this! :)</p>

<p>We have our own issues and we don’t need to get pulled into UNC’s “problem”.</p>

<p>@Marsian, did only football players take advantage of grade changes/classes or where other’s envolved, like the basketball players(or maybe the basketball players just plan on droping out of school after a year or two)? If so, would you propose getting rid of the basketball program?</p>

<p>If you get rid of the football program (and the 10+ million dollars a year in profit it makes for the athletic department) you will also have to get rid of several none revenue sports (including women’s sports). Look at what Maryland had to do (and why it’s jumping ship to the BIG10) when it’s athletic department started to lose money.</p>

<p>A death penality for your football program is a death penality for your athletic department (though Basketball would always be fine at UNC!).</p>

<p>1/2 of the blame falls on the “team” and those involved, but the other 1/2 falls on the department that made the changes (and those involved) and the leadership that knew and awarded all involved… The problem for UNC is that this case is not going away…a lot more will come out in the discorvery phase of the trial. Running around claiming “I heard nothing! I know nothing!” will only work for so long.</p>

<p>Hopefully some agreement/settlement will be reached and UNC can put this behind them. But only have losing a few more games to USC…</p>

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<p>Since you seem pretty smart, I’ll assume you meant to be exactly as condescending as you came across here and discount your future posting accordingly. I guess not everyone is cut out for elite academic environments like Dartmouth or Reed (just to name two places that manage to be more mind-addled than any state school while still sucking at sports). </p>

<p>Now, don’t make me defend UNC again. It really ****es me off.</p>

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<p>“mini – UNC is an outstanding academic institution. The atmosphere on campus is intellectual and energetic.”</p>

<p>And who said otherwise? (I would have written the same about Dartmouth. And I would have written about the drug culture at Reed. Both of which are outstanding academic institutions, intellectual and energetic.)</p>

<p>Yes, UNC is a big sports school. The alcohol problems are no better and no worse than at most other colleges – and we know that alcohol problems are pervasive in nearly all types of colleges and universities, from the top to the bottom"</p>

<p>Absolutely NOT true that all schools are the same - this is an old canard and demonstrably false. Alcohol problems are NOT pervasive in nearly all types of college and universities, and the differences among them are often greater than the similarities. This is a question for which we have excellent data. We know the characteristics of schools that have greater alcohol problems than others.</p>

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<p>I am sure all colleges handle things differently, but at my D’s school, her coach does random classroom checks. If their grades go bellow a certain gpa, they have additional study hours that have to be logged. </p>

<p>She is still waiting for one of those easy “jock” classes, though. It hasn’t happened, yet.</p>

<p>Even without being recruited for her sport, she still would have met the academic profile for her college for admissions. As of right now, she is scheduled to graduate in four years, as well. </p>

<p>If a college had a phony class for some athletes, shame on them and they do deserve penalties. </p>

<p>But painting all or most or even some athletes as incapable of doing the academic work is as unfair as any other stereotype that exists.</p>

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<p>Gator88, nothing else is going to “come out” in the trial. There’s nothing left to come out.</p>

<p>This investigation was completed several years ago, and was extremely thorough. I would bet you nothing “else” comes out in the trial, but that would be illegal. ;)</p>

<p>The reason the story isn’t going away is because the Raleigh News and Observer is in the same place as NCState. You would have to understand the politics of NC to understand what this actually “means.”</p>

<p>And leave SOG alone. He’s a Blue Devil, but he’s not ALL bad. :p</p>

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<p>Well, the article is in the New York Times, and it’s coming out again due to a criminal indictment against Mr. Nyang’oro that was issued last month (and because it fits a theme that the New Your Times wants to push). These indictments are very rare.</p>

<p>If Mr. Nyang’oro hasn’t said anything yet, then what he does say, as part of discovery, could cause more bad press for UNC. I would think he’s defense will be based on following “orders”, that he got rewarded for doing it (was made head of the department for 20 years, a job most professors hold for no more than 10 years), and that others also did it (others who may still be in the department).</p>

<p>I can appreciate that nothing new (factual) may come out of this court case, but the “optics” will be horrible, as every time this guy shows up in court, it will make the local news (in NC). And every time someone wants to write a "College Sports is bad/out of control story, they will use the UNC case. </p>

<p>UNC can’t get this behind them until the court case is finished (or a more interesting scandle breaks out…hopefully in Tallahassee…something like “Jamies Winston is really a Robot, built by Jimbo “little sprocket” Fisher in his garage!”).
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<p>I don’t have a problem with universities setting whatever standards/requirements for graduation they want. If taking this non-course counts towards graduation, why should I care?</p>

<p>I suppose NC taxpayers might care more than I do that a literal handful of students are getting it easy in the academic department , but they are gaining other valuable knowledge and putting in hours outside the classroom that non-athletes are not, and in the scheme of things it seems so minor that I can’t feel the “outrage.” I don’t know how much taxpayer money UNC gets, but if it is an insignificant amount like many public colleges nowadays, then it is barely anyone’s business what (practically) private universities decide to do about their student’s grades.</p>

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<p>Well, that was my point. It does show that the NCAA minimum standards are not so low that no four year college would otherwise refuse to admit a student meeting only the NCAA minimum standards. I.e. at least some four year colleges believe that the student (whether or not an athlete) has enough of a chance of succeeding in college to be offered a chance. (Of course, one can argue how good a chance of success that is.)</p>