<p>Do UCB and UCLA ask for proof of EC's?</p>
<p>As I understand it, they select 10% of applicants for verification. Does anyone else know otherwise? </p>
<p>How do applicants send in the info? and how do they choose the people?</p>
<p>Can anyone who has already been through the admissions process weigh in on this?</p>
<p>any help is appreciated...</p>
<p>It would make sense that they choose applicant randomly. They don't have the time to scrutinize all the applications to raise any questions. I haven't been through the admissions process yet, but just my two cents. Anyone else?</p>
<p>i "kinda" exaggerated a lil and made them sound really legit when they are all bs work!! i think thats fine... as long as u dont lie....</p>
<p>So, If i spent the summer cleaning the halls and labs of an institution that discovered a major medical breakthrough, I can claim that I was part of it?</p>
<p>FYI: I was chosen for verification. Just had to turn over some tax records, and any documentation I had to backup what I claimed.</p>
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Here's a thread w/ some ppl who got chosen last year...I guess they send out verification in January and if you don't respond by Feb. 1 you get rejected/your application is void</p>
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<p>Usually you state not only where you were involved, but also your role. This role would be inputted as "facilities worker." And not as something like "research aide/assistant." Most people don't take things to that type of extremity. And also, if you were involved in something of that magnitude you would likely have a LOR from another person who was also involved but was above you. Come on you know this.</p>
<p>And man being selected sounds like a huge drag. Crossing my fingers I'm not in that 10%...</p>
<p>I would sincerely hope they don't, but hey, I'm not sure if you were around for the "lying on my UC app" thread. Some people really do go that far (omitting records, neglecting to mention "F's", and flat out never listing schools they've attended).</p>
<p>I think the verification process is absolutely essential though. I had to go through it, so I can tell you from first hand experience that it's not that bad. i don't know, but lying on an application (or even exaggerating a bit) is really a pet peeve of mine. By presenting yourself as something better than you are you attempt to take an opportunity from someone more qualified/deserving than you, and that just doesn't sit right with me.</p>
<p>I like how everyone in that other thread were getting freaked out; they had obviously lied or at least exaggerated some of their extracurricular activities. Honestly, if it really is only 10% of applicants, it should be higher than that.</p>
<p>While we're on the subject, what kinda proof do you show for a non-paid internship? A letter from the employer?</p>
<p>Ha of course they were lying on their apps. An honest man has nothing to hide, and no reason to run... unless of course he's Harrison Ford in The Fugitive.</p>
<p>But yeah, just goes to show you the caliber of people you're dealing with on these boards, much less in academia in general. Do anything, say anything to get ahead...</p>
<p>Hence my reasoning for not wanting to go to a UCLA/Berk. You're willingly surrounding yourself with these type of folk, but I digress.</p>
<p>I'd go with some kind of letter from the employer, and or something with their letter head clearly showing your participation.</p>
<p>Come on Anchor!! I mean, face the fact. When you go to an interview in the future, are you going to mention "honestly" about the truth why you quit your previous job? Or why did you receive a C- on one of your classes? No.. you're going to try to avoid those facts and tell your employer the best side of you.</p>
<p>Same idea applies... those "folks" who you think would do anything and everything possible to get ahead.. might very well one day be YOUR BOSS. Not that they are smarter than you, but they get how this world operates. </p>
<p>Think about it, everybody has their own goals. I am not sure if you originally wanted to attend UCSD or maybe it's simply because you didn't get into that school you initially desire to. </p>
<p>To make this long post short, not everybody who successfully gets into CAL or UCLA are the "folks" you are talking about. HONOST MEN DON'T LIE, BUT WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE FIELD ARE JUST DUMB!</p>
<p>Actually, I originally wanted to attend Davis, but there was a screw up on their end, and I ended up not getting accepted on the first go, but did on appeal. It was actually a pretty strange situation, but the whole experience put me off davis, and so I decided to go with my #2. UCSD.</p>
<p>Listen, I know this is how "the game" is played. However, what you're talking about is, and should be, limited to the business world. This is academia. Where hard work, dedication, and most importantly, HONESTY are supposed to be rewarded... If you feel that business practices belong in academia, than I don't know what to tell you.</p>
<p>Also, I'll be the first to admit that I'm most certainly not the smartest man in the room, but I am definitely one of the hardest working. This is why I transfered with a 3.8 GPA (Science), and also why I've consistently out performed several people who I feel are far smarter than I. </p>
<p>Hell, most of the folk that I consider smarter than myself attend(ed) UCLA, but unlike me, they aren't willing to spend 5 or 6 hours everyday (including weekends) drilling on the course material until it becomes like breathing to them...</p>
<p>There's all sorts of ways to give yourself an advantage over the next guy. You could lie on your application, you can lie about your GPA/EC's. You can even abuse adderall to help you with your studying, but if you're gonna compromise yourself to achieve your goals then you are just an awful person. No two ways about it.</p>
<p>Also, it'll be a cold day in hell before I work for a UCLA man... give me Stanford or better.</p>
<p>at the end of the day you really only have to answer to yourself. </p>
<p>if you can live with yourself and bend the truth or manipulate the facts, then so be it.</p>
<p>but if you have even the slightest inclination to hold yourself to a certain set of standards, don't delude yourself into believing that a smudge here and there on your app is okay. you should either stay true to your principles or just plain not even bother. </p>
<p>again, at the end of the day only you can measure your achievements and self worth--no f'ing gold star that some adcom awards you can ever replace the importance of your own self-perception.</p>
<p>ya... i guess we just live up with different standards. I dont think anyone is wrong here.. we all have our own principles. </p>
<p>and for you stanford future employer.... good luck bud!</p>
<p>To be honest, if I lied on an application to an intentional extent, and got accepted, it would completely drag down my self-worth. Not because I knowingly lied, but because they unknowingly took someone else in, and not me. Maybe my conscience is too loud, but yeah I would feel pretty disgusted with myself.</p>
<p>I think that you guys are addressing two different things. One is mildly fluffing the wording on what you did while keeping it within a reasonable realm; and the other is flat-out lying.</p>
<p>oh ya... by all means... lying is a totally different story. I am not sure if we were on the same page, but it's the same principle as creating your own resume. you make your previous jobs sound excellent in order to increase your chances. </p>
<p>i mean... ur not going through your first and 2nd round interview telling your interviewer... "well ummmm just to be 'honest' with you... i messed up on this and that... blah blah blah!"</p>
<p>sorry.. im an econ/business major.... as you can tell... anyways... thx for sharing you guys' opinions on this. take care!</p>