<p>lol, watching Super Size Me in Government? what? We watched it in Bio while learning about the digestive system, at least that was SLIGHTLY relevant lol</p>
<p>we can go out for lunch at my school, but sometimes people that need to spend their free periods doing homework just give money to someone else...one day, as people are coming into the senior lounge, one guy goes "Erik, here's your burger and fries...and Diet Pepsi. FAG." lol.</p>
<p>Mnben, do you work for MADD? </p>
<p>I do. I am on the board of directors of my chapter. I also have a brother who died in a drunk driving crash two years ago (he was the driver btw). I also have seen a crash that killed 3 high school seniors. I work for this cause many hours each week, including MADD meetings and fundraisers. </p>
<p>I know the effects of underage drinking ** far better than you. ** This is both from personal experience and national underage/drunk driving knowledge. </p>
<p>If you want to know MADD's real policy, PM me. Stop making assumptions. The age difference in maturity between 18 and 21 is tremendously large. Simply because you, or I could handle alcohol with maturity doesn't mean most young adults can. The drunk driving rates have risen steadily in the past few years (up to over 18,300 killed a year) and numerous more are injured. Multiply that by the families who feel the effects and you've got millions of people suffering every year.</p>
<p>Enconium,</p>
<p>are you sure you are not making to much of the age difference? The difference between 18 and 21 is no more than the difference between 15 and 18. Most 15 year olds are as mature (often more mature...usually more mature) than 18 year olds. They should lower the drinking age to 15 and see how it goes. lol</p>
<p>By the way, sorry about your brother...really.</p>
<p>^oh no, I totally disagree with that. In your teens, every single year is a complete and huge change. I was such a tool at 14. I may be generally the same person now, but I'm definitely a lot more responsible and mature than three years ago.</p>
<p>Ecomium,</p>
<p>underage/drunk driving knowledge this is precisely the problem that I have with MADD. While I wholeheartedly support your campaign against drunk driving, the tendency for you people to conflate underage drinking with drunk driving is a great error. Drunk driving is a devastating social ill, and I am truly sorry about the loss of your brother. Each life lost by drunk driving is a huge waste.</p>
<p>That said, if you are so much wiser in your knowledge of the drinking habits of my peers than I am, why dont you share some of this information with us? All that youve really given me is anecdotal evidence. That drunk driving is on the rise in the last few years (I was specifically talking about trends around the time of the 1984 act) may demonstrate that neo-prohibitionist policies arent the quick fix to the drunk-driving epidemic that everyone was hoping for. Maybe drunk driving education policies were more effective back when the focus of groups like yours was on driving impaired instead of drinking, period. So please, tell me, what exactly is MADDs policy? </p>
<p>the 21 minimum age drinking laws were established to save your brain and your life. is what I can find on the website. Is their something that Im missing? It may be interesting to note that a number of drinking related problems with young people skyrocketed with the rising drinking age, including binge drinking, vomiting from drinking, alcohol induced violence, etc. etc. Making alcohol a forbidden fruit makes over consumption more prevalent among college age drinkers, and destroys the ability to imbibe in a controlled environment.</p>
<p>hahahaha, Kali. you said in-AND-out. HAHAHAHA. its in-N-out. Thats one of the easiest ways to tell someone isn't from california. we get a kick out of it when we here people say it. When my friends Kristy and Gordon moved out here from NJ, we didn't tell them and mananged to get 3 weeks of laughing before they finally caught on.</p>
<p>and the 18/21 isn't about age. its about the culture and ideas associated with it. kids do it because we think its an act of rebellion. mnben is right, we like the forbidden fruit more than when its just an apple.</p>
<p>i say in and out, too....??</p>
<p>no, it's definitely in-n-out. Random In-n-Out fact: they'll make any size burger you want. If you want to get four meat patties and four pieces of cheese, order a 4 by 4. A friend of mine wanted to test the theory out, and he ordered a 45 by 45 for a party he was throwing. They made it. And it was delicious.</p>
<p>hmm.. innout.. i have like 4 choices near my house</p>
<p>its in-N-out. Thats one of the easiest ways to tell someone isn't from california.</p>
<p>In-n-Out the crucible of Californianess. lol</p>
<p>do it because we think its an act of rebellion. mnben is right</p>
<p> mnben is right! we are far more mature than I thought at 18. I cant think of a more mature reason to get f*****up than doin it as an act of bythchin in your face rebellion. Lol</p>
<p>Seriously, 21 is cool theyll be plenty of drink at frat parties without taking over the bridge to Vermont.=)</p>
<p>lol kalidescope! if you do a little resarch, the same behavior patterns existed through all age groups during prohibition. It is not a question on maturity or age, but rather on human psychological response. when we participate in acts that are unsanctioned by authorities, we do are best to make the most of them. This explains why negative drinking patterns INCREASED among our age group when the drinking age went up. Instead of drinking as part of a normal, moderate routine, we now drink to get drunk. The same thing happened during prohibition. maturity isn't gifted upon us at the age of 21. a wiser move would be to teach mature consumption habits, instead of making education on it such a ridiculous taboo.</p>
<p>what is in-n-out? we don't have them in WI or MN</p>
<p>its soooo good. its a burger joint that started in California back in the 1950s or 60s. Let me tell you whats on the menu:
Hamburger. Cheeseburger. Double-Double (double cheseburger-type deal). Sodas. Ice-tea. Lemonade. Milkshakes (Chocolate, Strawberry, and the best Vanilla in the world). OH YAH, I almost forgot. FRIES, which are heaven on earth. And that's about it. Shhhh....don't spread the sceret menu theo. But most know about the extensions of the Double-double and animal style. Yes, i have eaten a four by four. Yes, it hurts your mouth to open it that big. Yes, it does taste amazing (especially with grilled onions). Animal style is overrated, but its good every once-in-awhile.</p>
<p>sounds like a coronary waiting to happen. i'm all for it. next time i'm out west i'll make a stop</p>
<p>ohhh, i thought you guys just meant the phrase in and out...i didn't know it was a restaurant. hee.</p>
<p>mmm.... in-n-out. man if i leave this state that would be one thing i miss. for those who dont know, in-n-out is a little piece of heaven given to us laypeople. </p>
<p>p.s. other tells that people arent from california, they refer to our lovely state as "cali" and they call san francisco "frisco", god i hate that. also i've always been asked two questions: do you surf? and do you live next to a movie star?</p>
<p>"do you surf? and do you live next to a movie star?"</p>
<p>Well do you?</p>
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but don't forget, you guys were not raised Europeans...they don't super-size their food either
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Woodwork, I think you were joking with this comment, but I wanted to address it anyway. Not all Americans eat in the stereotypical way - I have so many health-conscious friends and know a lot of vegetarians, vegans, etc. While I enjoy my meat like any good carnivore and indulge in artery-clogging foods (cr</p>
<p>i'm horrible at surfing, much better at snowboarding for some reason. no i dont live next to a movie (especially cause i live in northern california) although I live within a few blocks of Landon Donavon, Holly Hunter (moved when her play here ended), and Jeff Garcia (moved when he got traded).</p>
<p>haha i've never surfed in my life, but i'm a decent skier. This is exactly what i wrote my Common App essay on. Exactly. uhm..no movie stars, cept uhm George Lucas used to live here. Oh and Gary Condit and Scott/Lacy Peterson.</p>
<p>take these from my essay:</p>
<pre><code>Is surfing fun? Cant say Ive ever been, but I really love skiing.
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<p>"So, like, do you live by the beach or in the mountains?" I live in the valley, and please, we don't all talk like valley girls.
Well, do you know any movie stars? Nope, cant say I do, but I did meet Arnold after being elected State Controller at Boys State.
I have heard that I look like the picture-perfect Californian teenage boy, but I interpret this compliment multiple ways. True, I do have sun-bleached surfer hair and a nice tan, yet it does not always work to my advantage. Some have initially perceived me as a surfer dude...
Californians have been known to eat healthier, more organic types of food, but do not let that image fool you. When it comes to food, the most Californian order I place each week is at In-N-Out a regional hamburger chain and I ask for, A number one, animal style, with a vanilla shake, which briefly translated means a double cheeseburger with extra everything, especially Thousand Island dressing disguised under the name of special sauce, with the creamiest, richest milkshake any fast food chain has ever made. Now that is authentic Californian cuisine.</p>