<p>What are some of the commonly known Pros and Cons of UCB and UCLA?</p>
<p>let's see--they're in california. con.</p>
<p>They have some great graduate programs but undergrad is a second thought with huge classes, horrific curves and unfriendly competition. It takes many more than 4 years to graduate. Stingy financial aid heavy on loans. Major budget problems, lack of housing.</p>
<p>Pro: they are respected in Cali and you can get good jobs in state.</p>
<p>"It takes many more than 4 years to graduate."</p>
<p>About what % of the total UCLA or UCB undergraduate population graduate in 4+ yrs?</p>
<p>UCB
pro-great academics, great sport teams (go bears!), beautiful campus/buildings, good people
con-competition, very hard to survive, somewhat bad neighborhood</p>
<p>but i wish i got in</p>
<p>uhhhh, berkeley is sooooooooooooooooooooo far from being a bad neighborhood</p>
<p>berkeley is an AMAZING neighborhood that's very eclectic ethnically, with anything and everything being the norm there...... aka it's perfect</p>
<p>Pro - cheap for in-state students
Con - large class sizes, impersonal</p>
<p>i love berkeley a lot dont get me wrong-but like maybe .5 miles away from the campus there's a ghetto. believe me, i passed by it a lot of times, since my family always drive to cal to visit my brother (we're a 45 min drive away). it's a real interesting neighborhood, but what i meant by bad neighborhood is more along the lines of that u need to be street-smart when ur in berkeley.</p>
<p>berkeley is not that scuzzy of a town at all. i live in a small town that borders berkeley and i spend most of my time there (as an escape from the woefully homogenous suburbia that i live in) and berkeley is a really nice and not dangerous town. granted, i'm used to living in a large area. if one were to be from a small town, berkeley may seem scary.</p>
<p>in oakland, yes, there are neighborhoods that are not that nice at all. but in miles in all direction around UC berkeley, the neighborhoods are generally all very nice and i wouldn't think twice about walking around them by myself at day or night</p>
<p>thanks for all the comments. We could separate UCB and UCLA, and list the pro's and con's for each one. :)</p>
<p>Haas by far beats any major at UCLA. If you think you can go the distance and make it in, Cal is the much better choice.</p>
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<p>Overstated.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class20.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class20.htm</a>
<a href="http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class50.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/peers/current/research_intensive/class50.htm</a></p>
<p>suze:</p>
<p>the 4 yr graduation rate is a canard. The reason that many students do take fiver year is that they HAVE to work....at 33%, the UC's accept one of the highest, if not the highest, % of low income kids in the nation; compare with UVa at 8%. Since state policy requires self-help, many kids do work part-time bcos they might also have to help support their family back home.</p>
<p>The UCs are extremely liberal with AP credit -- a 3 or better earns full college credit. </p>
<p>The vast majority of kids, graduating in 4 years is easily doable, as long as a kid doesn't mind an 8:00 am classw (oh, the horrors), nor, possibly class on Fridays (which means skipping weekend ski trips).</p>
<p>If I was to get accepted to both schools (in the future), it would be a very hard choice to make. (UCLA or UCB) since UCLA is near-to-home, but UCB's atmosphere, much more laid-back environment, trees, near cities/villages are stunning too..</p>
<p>I could argue that UCLA is actually more laid-back than UCB, but whatever. :rolleyes:</p>