Public Ivy Leagues

[JWT86]

<p>If that list is in order, no way Texas is below UCSD, Illinois, UNC, UVA, and Washington! It’s not possible looking at the departmental rankings across all the academic and professional schools.</p>

[ewho]

<p>^ Okay, but you can not get all your wishes: :)</p>

<p>UCB
Michigan
Wisconsin
UCLA
Uva
UNC
Texas
Illinois
UCSD
Wash</p>

[zapfino]

<p>These are just lists of what are widely considered the top public universities. So, is there any point in calling them Public Ivies? Or, do y’all have any other criteria why it’s even a useful term to apply to this group of public universities?</p>

[Sparkeye7]

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UCB
Michigan
Wisconsin
UCLA
Uva
UNC
Texas
Illinois
UCSD
Wash

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<p>It is very tempting for me to replace UCSD with TOSU, but I will wait until around 2015 for a decisive academic upgrade. :p</p>

<p>As for now, UCSD is certainly seen more favorable than TOSU based on the rankings. However, know that SD lacks overall academic breadth and depth when compared to Ohio State. TOSU is certainly more well-rounded and complete as a state’s flagship school. In fact, TOSU contains nearly 2x the undergrad student bodies, likewise, 3x the graduate student bodies than SD. TOSU pursues a comprehensive teaching / learning approach, in which it offers over 12,000 courses and employees 3x more tenure-track faculties than SD, and covers all professional schools (Med, Law, Dental, Vet, Pharm and even Optometry). TOSU academics include nearly all disciplines with over $5 billion annual operational budget and 4x the endowment compared to SD. Most importantly, state-of-the-art facilities throughout the entire campus! Last but not least, top notch Div-1A athletic programs which SD offers none (Div-II). </p>

<p>I see UCSD as more of a 2-D school - more similar to GTech and Purdue than the all-inclusive flagships Public Ivies listed above.</p>

<p>P.S. Contrast to TOSU which receives strong state legislature support, and a world class library (6 million volumes), SD is currently forced to sell its library collections in order to make ends meet. This alone should DQ SD from the list of Top Public Ivies! :D</p>

<p>Source: <a href=“[700+] California Wallpapers | Wallpapers.com”>[700+] California Wallpapers | Wallpapers.com;

[lamija]

<p>i think university of south carolina is the USC that he/she is referring to</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>“Since 2008-09, we have already taken about $5 million in cuts,” said Brian Schottlaender, the university’s library director. “We have managed to take a series of small cuts — reduced hours in several of our libraries, consolidated service points, slowed down our digitization efforts.</p>

<p>“But when we found out we would have to take at least an additional $3 million in cut in 2011-12, it became absolutely clear we could not do it with these nickel and dime cuts any more.”</p>

<p>To deal with the cuts, the university has closed its medical center library, the International Relations & Pacific Studies library, and the Center for Library & Instructional Computing Services. The Scripps Institution of Oceanography is slated to be closed next year.</p>

<p>Source: [UCSD</a> Considers Closing Four Libraries | San Diego Reader](<a href=“http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/feb/23/stringers-ucsd-considers-closing-four-libraries/]UCSD”>UCSD Considers Closing Four Libraries | San Diego Reader)</p>

<p>So, besides liquidating part of school’s library collections, one or more libraries were/are to be closed due to $5 million budget cut. If that were the case, I consider UCSD to be rather unstable compared to tOSU. Even with $50 million budget cut, I doubt tOSU will be closing any of its libraries. Now that I am home, I see UCSD actually tied with TOSU in terms of “Undergrad Academic Reputation Index” on last year’s USNWR ranking. So I guess they are peers at the undergrad level. Even their freshman selectivity is nearly identical in terms of SAT/ACT scores, but SD does have much lower acceptance rate with “100%” Top-10% HS Class vs 55% TOSU.</p>

<p>Anyway, UCSD needs fundrasing campaign, or perhaps borrow some money from either UCB or UCLA if possible. Probably easier from UCLA due to its proximity.</p>

[OTOTA457]

<p>Michigan State?</p>

<p>Ohio State, Texas and UNC should be on here before MSU</p>

[OTOTA457]

<p>as is ohio state…</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>

Dr. Teresa Sullivan, 60, will step down as the president of The University of Virginia on August 15, the university announced this past Sunday. Sullivan will have served at the institution for two years–the shortest presidential career in U-Va’s history. </p>

<p>The news came as a great surprise to the greater U-Va community.</p>

<p>“We all had a very positive outlook on President Sullivan,” student body president Johnny Vroom told The Washington Post. “That’s why it was such a shock.”</p>

<p>Ann Marie McKenzie, a recent U-Va graduate and former chairman of the student-run Honor Committee, echoed Vroom’s statement, saying that she thought Sullivan was an “effective leader and had a vision for the university.”

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<p>[Teresa</a> Sullivan, University of Virginia President, To Step Down After Two Years](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>Teresa Sullivan, University of Virginia President, To Step Down After Two Years | HuffPost College)</p>

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Reportedly, Sullivan is leaving because she and her trustees disagree over how to confront the challenges facing not only Virginia but many public and private institutions of higher education: declining state aid, an aging tenured faculty, a bad economy and how to adapt its value proposition in a digital age.

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<p>[Teresa</a> Sullivan’s resignation: How should universities adapt to the modern world - The Insiders - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-insiders/post/teresa-sullivans-resignation-how-should-universities-adapt-to-the-modern-world/2012/06/11/gJQAw8y0UV_blog.html]Teresa”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-insiders/post/teresa-sullivans-resignation-how-should-universities-adapt-to-the-modern-world/2012/06/11/gJQAw8y0UV_blog.html)</p>

<p>Another one bites the dust… Perhaps Dr. Sullivan could now be considered the job of either Illinois or UCB’s Chancellor / Presidency…</p>

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<p>Meanwhile, the establishment of The New World Order in terms of “Top-10 Public Ivies” of 2020 is as followed imho:</p>

<p>UCB
UNC
UVA
UDub
UCLA
TOSU
Texas
Illinois
Michigan
Wisconsin</p>

<p>(in no particular order)</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>Top-10 Public Ivies of 2020</p>

<p>UCB (PAC-12)
UNC (ACC)
UVA (ACC)
UCLA (PAC-12)
tOSU (B1G)
Texas (BIG-XII)
Illinois (B1G)
Michigan (B1G)
Wisconsin (B1G)
Washington (PAC-12)</p>

<p>4 B1G, 3 PAC-12, 2 ACC & 1 BIG-XII</p>

<p>*And Yes! TOSU would have made the Top-8 list as well imho by 2020!! :)</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>UVa Faculty Senate “Shocked and Dismayed” by Teresa Sullivan’s Departure
Posted: 4:45 PM Jun 11, 2012 </p>

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The Faculty Senate calls the board’s statement “inadequate and unsatisfactory.” The statement goes on to say the senate is “entitled to a full and candid explanation” of why Sullivan is leaving.</p>

<p>The entire text of the statement is below:</p>

<p>"Yesterday, the Faculty of the University of Virginia, along with the rest of the University community, learned that the Board of Visitors and President Sullivan “mutually agreed that she will step down as president of the University of Virginia effective August 15, 2012.” We are shocked and dismayed by this news. We were blindsided by this decision.</p>

<p>The Faculty Senate Executive Council has worked closely and effectively with President Sullivan during her two-year term. She has impressed us with her intelligence, leadership, and commitment to transparent administration and open, honest communication. We witnessed her renowned dedication to higher education. She excited faculty across the Grounds and created a sense of optimism about the University’s future.</p>

<p>We find the Board’s statement inadequate and unsatisfactory. We understand that the University, like most of its peer institutions, faces tremendous challenges. We believe President Sullivan made meaningful progress toward meeting these challenges, and put in place strategies and personnel to move the University forward.</p>

<p>As elected representatives of the faculty, we are entitled to a full and candid explanation of this sudden and drastic change in University leadership. We intend to investigate this matter thoroughly and expeditiously, and will meet with the Board as soon as possible. The Faculty Senate will continue to gather and give voice to faculty views and do all we can to preserve and protect strong faculty governance at the University.</p>

<p>We are determined and committed that Mr. Jefferson’s University will continue to be a beacon of excellence, honor, and compassion in a troubled world."

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<p>Source: [UVa</a> Faculty Senate “Shocked and Dismayed” by Teresa Sullivan’s Departure](<a href=“http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/UVa_Faculty_Senate_Shocked_and_Dismayed_by_Teresa_Sullivans_Departure_158481065.html]UVa”>http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/UVa_Faculty_Senate_Shocked_and_Dismayed_by_Teresa_Sullivans_Departure_158481065.html)</p>

[barrons]

<p>Or maybe UW Madison Chancellor.</p>

[rjkofnovi]

<p>Sullivan was an excellent provost at Michigan. Something must really be amiss at UVA. This cannot bode well for that school.</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>Sullivan’s dismissal a sign of the times?</p>

<p>

The resignation of University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan caught most by surprise, but her departure reflects economic and financial pressures facing universities and colleges across the country, experts say.

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<p>[Sullivan’s</a> dismissal a sign of the times? | The News & Advance](<a href=“http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/jun/10/sullivans-dismissal-sign-times-ar-1979307/]Sullivan’s”>http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/jun/10/sullivans-dismissal-sign-times-ar-1979307/)</p>

<p>Although as one of the most well-endowed (over $5 billion) public schools in the nation, UVA is not immune to the current political / economical climate surrounding the school.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>Wonder if she’s a candidate for Berkeley’s new chancellor?</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>The Liquidation of Teresa Sullivan</p>

<p>[The</a> Liquidation of Teresa Sullivan | Bacon’s Rebellion](<a href=“http://www.baconsrebellion.com/2012/06/the-liquidation-of-teresa-sullivan.html]The”>http://www.baconsrebellion.com/2012/06/the-liquidation-of-teresa-sullivan.html)</p>

<p>U.-Va. board ouster of President Teresa Sullivan sparks anger</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/outrage-mounts-over-u-va-presidents-ouster/2012/06/11/gJQAU4F0VV_story.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/outrage-mounts-over-u-va-presidents-ouster/2012/06/11/gJQAU4F0VV_story.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Be ready for an exodus of faculties at this fine public ivy… lol</p>

[barrons]

<p>I don’t think so. Very loyal, low turnover place. Pay goes a long way there. Ideal lifestyle.</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>^^ @barrons,</p>

<p>

Williams warned that heightened salary worries and feelings of disconnect from the administration could lead to a faculty exodus.</p>

<p>“The fear index at UVa, the fear that things are going to get even worse, will cause people to look at other institutions,” Williams said. “So there’ll be a massive loss of talent.”

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<p>[Ouster</a> of Sullivan leaves UVa faculty ‘shocked and dismayed’ | Daily Progress](<a href=“http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/11/uva-faculty-senate-shocked-sullivan-ouster-ar-1979840/]Ouster”>http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/jun/11/uva-faculty-senate-shocked-sullivan-ouster-ar-1979840/)</p>

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“If the faculty believe the Board of Visitors is going to begin micromanaging in terms of distance learning and what departments are cut, without consultation, that’s when you’ll see an exodus of faculty from the institution,” Mr. Leblang said.

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<p><a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/UVa-Faculty-Push-for-Specifics/132211/[/url]”>http://chronicle.com/article/UVa-Faculty-Push-for-Specifics/132211/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[phantasmagoric]

<p>

Wonder if she’s a candidate for Berkeley’s new chancellor?

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<p>That’s what I was thinking. IMO she’ll certainly be on the short-list of candidates by November. Perhaps she’s already been notified that they’re strongly considering her, hence why it was a ‘mutual agreement’ of resignation. Given that the pool of potential chancellors for Berkeley is very small, this isn’t far-fetched at all, esp. considering that Berkeley would be trying to poach its leader from another top public.</p>

[Sparkeye7]

<p>I wonder what must Dr. Sullivan did so terribly wrong to have an institution with 8 Presidents total in its 200-years of history to axe her in 2-years of tenure. This reminds me of Gee’s time at Brown… lol</p>