Public or Private school for Premed?

<p>Would it be better to go to a state school and excel there, or go to a good private school (top 20) to get into a good medical school?</p>

<p>I've heard that it is better to go to a state school and excel there than go to a private school (it would be harder to "excel" there).</p>

<p>But then again, a higher percentage of students at private schools get into good medical schools. But it costs money to attend.</p>

<p>So what do you think?</p>

<p>(The state school I have in mind is the University of Alabama at Birmingham, which has a pretty good medical school (like 30ish) and is pretty good in the sciences.)</p>

<p>Depends on what your career goals are. What kind of physician do you want to become? If just a “normal” doctor, then go with the state school. It’ll cost a boat-load less, and you probably won’t have to work as hard to maintain a solid GPA.</p>

<p>state school hands down. You go to a state school, excel and get a cheap education, go to a state med school, finish up and get a mid-range 6-figure salary with minimum debt. You don’t need prestige for medicine because there are never enough doctors. Top school only makes sense for law/business imo because there are relatively many of those guys and not everyone gets a sick job (so need prestige to cover yourself).</p>

<p>hmm. well im not exactly sure what type of doctor i want to be. im thinking about being an oncologist though. would the med school matter for that type of physician? im guessing the best schools for internal medicine would be the best schools for oncology? ( [Internal</a> medicine - Best Medical Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/internal-medicine]Internal”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/internal-medicine) )</p>

<p>im also interested in doing research too though.
at UAB (the University of Alabama at Birmingham), i got into the science and technology honors program where students do research, etc, so you think i should go there over, say, upenn or duke if i got accepted?</p>

<p>btw im talking about going to a state school in undergrad and hopefully a top notch college for med school.</p>

<p>I actually think the answer to this question is: it depends on the private undergrad school you’re considering. To get into a great medical school, you need top grades, but this can be supplemented by strength of undergrad reputation AND sound medical school advising. Certain private schools do a wonderful job of offering medical school advisers who are invaluable in the process. They get to know you individually, prep you carefully for med school interviews, get you talking with alums at different med schools, etc. Moreover, if you mix this great advising system with a grade-inflation oriented school, you’ll be in GREAT standing at any top medical school. </p>

<p>Also, top private schools get your foot in the door with all sorts of extra curriculars that public schools usually cannot match. Keep in mind, top med schools don’t JUST want top grades and a top mcat scores, they want students with great volunteer experience, students who were stellar varsity athletes, etc. It’s like college admissions on steroids with an increased emphasis on science and interviewing. </p>

<p>With that in mind, I’ve heard good reviews of the general pre-med atmosphere at the following top private schools, and these schools all conveniently engage in grade inflation: Yale, Dartmouth, Brown, and, actually Rice (not as much on the grade inflation, but through having a good med school advising system).</p>

<p>I’ve heard negative reviews about the following top 20 undergrad schools: Cornell, Hopkins, Chicago, Penn, and Northwestern. At these schools, kids still place great because they are extremely smart and capable, but the pre-med atmosphere isn’t great. At the larger schools, kids get to get lost in the crowd, so to speak, and I’ve heard many complaints about the pre-med advising and support at all these schools. </p>

<p>So I think the best answer to your question is: it really depends on the private school and your options. If you get into Hopkins and your state school, Hopkins will be a tough pre-med environment. If you get into Brown and your state school, Brown might be a better bet. Hope this helps and good luck!</p>

<p>Go to Alabama. Between being in the honors program, doing undergrad research, and getting top grades, you’ll be set for any medical school. (btw I currently attend Penn and attended a state school for my freshmen year)</p>

<p>cue7:
i dont think the lack of research and extracurricular opportunites at UAB (the state school) will be a problem though. in the honors program, everyone is required to do at least one independent research project with a teacher supervising/mentoring. UAB has a decent med school (like 29ish) and there are a lot of research opportunities available. UAB is also a smaller school.</p>

<p>does duke have grade inflation?</p>

<p>Haha, Duke practices grade deflation. Also from secondhand observation, premed at Penn is pretty rough.</p>

<p>I don’t think duke “practices grade deflation.” I have heard though, that it’s just not a great place for pre-med - not that supportive of an advising office, lots of competition and a straining environment, etc.</p>

<p>Keep in mind, any pre-med environment is gonna be tough, some (Dartmouth, Brown, etc.) just tend to be better and more humane than others (Cornell, Chicago, Penn, etc.).</p>

<p>dang. i didnt apply to brown, dartmouth, or any of those colleges you said are good for premed (except for rice). all the ivies/top colleges i applied to are the “not-so-good” schools for premed.</p>

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<p>Lol no, that’s incorrect. From personal experience, Duke is a GREAT place as a premed student. The advising office is incredibly on top of things and very supportive. And more importantly, the collaborative learning environmet is unique to Duke, and an amazing asset for premeds. Here are some reasons I quote as to why Duke wins the hearts of so many premeds (bluedevilmike just says it so well…)</p>

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<p>OP, of you applied to Duke and have questions about being premed here, feel free to PM me.</p>

<p>I think if you can go to school without borrowing much, you are better off at the State U. for undergrad. As the wife of a physician, our income has declined each of the past 20 years of his practice. It is just the reality of the medical profession. I wouldn’t want to be a young doctor today with a lot of debt. Since a physician is paid the same, regardless of where he attended school, unless you want to do academic medicine or are interested in research, which you say you might be, I would not spend the money on a big dollar premed unless you can do it without debt.</p>

<p>Duke and Penn have incredible medical schools. I hear that Dartmouth and Brown are really not thought of in the same way. UAB is supposed to be pretty good.</p>

<p>I saw another poster call “middle tier LAC” the best type of school for premed. Can anyone explain this?</p>

<p>eatsalot - cool. I haven’t heard as positive things about Duke’s pre-med environment, but I know very little else about pre-med at Duke. If the advising system is at least warm, not overworked, and supportive of each applicant, than that makes it a great place. Most of the anecdotal evidence I’ve heard strongly contrasts yours, but again, I have no experience with the school.</p>

<p>debrockman: so the undergrad school matter for academic medicine/research?</p>