<p>What is the point of applying EDII? What happens if he does not get accepted EDII? The RD applications will be delayed in submission again. EDII notifications are in February. Some deadlines for RD will be very close to when EDII decisions are made.</p>
<p>OP is afraid that son is not accepted. I don’t know if this school rejects anyone during the early process, or just defers them to RD. But what she is likely thinking is that if her son is not accepted ED with that boost for applying early, he well may not get accepted RD either, and could use any boost for one of his other choices. So even though Syracuse is his first choice school, s/he would rather move on to another school and get a better chance of getting accepted that other school than take the chances of rejection from Syracuse. That the young man applied early even in the early process and still did not get notification in the first batch of decision is scaring them. Though often, there isn’t any strict ordering of when an app is reviewed, and it is entirely possible that his just got randomly put to the bottom of the stack, it is unnerving. You do start thinking all sorts of things when these situations arise. Maybe they are right, maybe not. </p>
<p>But there is nothing the OP or son can do. He did not get a notification. IT’s maddening that maybe he is in–in that case, no big deal, he just finds out a little later, and there is the matter of the RD apps that had to go out and the expense thereof, but he has been accepted and it’s game over. But if he is not, he has lost that early edge for his other schools that he was planning to use if this were the case.</p>
<p>So a decision has to be made in the blind as to whether take the chance that he is accepted or is going to be accepted by Syracuse, and just leave thing as they are in terms of ED, or to assume that he is not going to get accepted, and give another school the ED2 try, in hopes of getting that added boost there too. There is a logic path that if things happen that way, there are benefits of going either direction, and not knowing Syracuse’s take on the app is really a stumbling block.</p>
<p>So, yes, I get it fully, and it would make me upset too. But as I repeatedly say, this is not going to be a smooth process most of the time. These sort of things happen a lot. There are kids out there with ED acceptances and no fin aid package that are now missing out on ED2 deadlines too. Schools do not necessarily take other schools’ ED or any deadline into consideration, when making their timelines,a and if things go wrong anywhere, all bets are off. Too bad. So sad. Go with the choices you have. Miss the ED deadline through no fault of your own? Yes, you could just be shuffled over to RD with 1/3 the chances in that pool. Too bad. Feet dragging on discussion of Fin aid and ED2 deadline impending. Too bad there too. School is closed, it all has to wait until Jan2 and too bad about that if there are 1/1 deadlines. It’s enough to make anyone crazy. But that’s the way it works. </p>
<p>Right now OP has no one to complain to at the college,because it’s shut down for Christmas holidays. It’s going to have to wait until Jan2 because there is noone there, unless someone does go in and finish up the app processing, but that is not advisable as there is often a whole system involved in doing this and just one lone person should not be doing it. That’s another way mistakes can be made, and the colleges have made some real whopper with NO mitigating circumstances that really hit some families pretty dang hard over the holiday season. This is does not have such an impact. OP’s son still has choices, though not as he had wanted,and if things do turn out a certain way, he did lose an ED2 opportunity, but he may not have even had that as he might well be accepted at S, and just not know it.</p>
<p>Lorilight, as I said to the OP, I would take this up with Admissions once your son’s situation at Syracuse is resolved, If he is accepted, I would have a word with the university dean and the Admissions office. You will likely be in good company. Whether it does any good or not, resulting in some refund of your RD app fees, I don’t know, but I would let them know. As to the work putting in new apps, most every and any advice on ED and RD apps urge students to have those RD apps ready to go into the mail, and schools may say that they can’t support those doing the apps at the last minute, though it is one’s right. No way to really compensate for that anyways. If your son is deferred, well, no harm done in that area. It’s the timing of the info that is an issue for ED2 if that was part of the strategy. Well, events have taken an unforeseen turn and now the choice is whether he wants to be effectively an ED2 candidate without prejudice at Syracuse, or just give it up due to this turn in events and pick another school to be ED2 and let Syracuse be a RD app, and therefore flushed if the ED2 school accepts him. That’s a choice he has to make, and if he did not have a strong preference for S, maybe it’s just as well to go with another school. With the OP, the clear first choice was and is S, and it is the fear of losing the ED edge that is fueling the angst. That edge could make the difference between getting into a top choice and not.</p>
<p>But things can and often do go awry in the admissions process, and you gotta swing with it. Many years ago, my first choice school lost my ED app. This was in the dark ages, so I did it all over again, by typewriter, (worse than by hand) and lost out on the ED edge as it was just pushed into the more selective RD pool with 10X more competition. Too bad. Missing a test score because CB dropped the ball, or a teacher rec is late? Too bad. App get overlooked . Too bad. All of these things happen all of the time. In my school district, a student got the wrong counselor’s rec for all of her highly selected apps. This would never have even come to light but the counselor noticed and let everyone know, a noble thing to do. Many would not have said a word as it would have been unlikely to have ever been noticed. So yes, things do get messed up. </p>
<p>What consequence do you want Syracuse to take on Jan 2 when you talk to the school? What you all can do is have your kids apply ED2 to another school with a cover letter explaining the situation, and asking to “hold” the app until response from S is received, or send the ED2 app on Jan2 or whenever the S response is received with a cover letter again explaining the situation and asking for consideration for the day or two of lateness. It’s not as though schools process these apps all on the due date. I’ve known a lot of times when extra time consideration is given, and that you are abiding by the rules set, is a reason to give that consideration. If the S response is an accept, an immediate cancellation of the ED2 app can be sent out. But if all is upfront with a letter, I don’t think the adcoms would be upset–if they are they can decline to consider the ED2 app. I don’t think that will happen, however. I’ve known kids late with apps with all sorts of reasons getting a pass for that.</p>
<p>I guess Lorilight has withdrawn her comment. No, I was not talking to thin air. There was a post right before my response in 123. Someone in the exact same predicament with her son as Soze.</p>
<p>Soze, what do you want? What do you REALLY want? Posters are saying the same things over and over. You’re going to do what you want (excuse me, your son will, because this is HIS problem, not yours) and your opinion isn’t going to change. Everyone isn’t going to side with you. You’re an adult. Life sucks sometimes. Can’t change it. Deal with it.</p>
<p>First off, I’m sorry that your son didn’t get his response before Christmas, especially when it seems that the rep you spoke to previously gave him that expectation. </p>
<p>But, honestly, I don’t understand why you are in such a bother over ED II. It seems to me that, given his current opinions/preferences, he shouldn’t be an EDII candidate anywhere, anyway. His first choice was clear to him, so he went EDI there, which is how that system is supposed to work. But, honestly, unless Syracuse was a huge long shot that may reject him outright, he shouldn’t be applying to a different school EDII. I mean, if Syracuse was enough of a first choice that he went EDI, then even with a deferral there, it’s his real first choice. If he got deferred at Syracuse, he should apply RD to backup schools. EDII would be for his clear second choice school if he got rejected outright, but it sounds like he doesn’t even HAVE a clear second choice school. So, again, his next round is all RD, logically. </p>
<p>He doesn’t have enough of a strong preference for a second school to make EDII a wise choice, IMHO. I’m sorry for the holiday stress for your family, though. The best part of ED is getting the worry over before the end of the year!</p>
<p>It really depends on schools, more often than not a deferral often turns into a rejection. If my kid wasn’t accepted for ED I, I would seriously look at other schools for ED II. It maybe better to turn Syracuse into a RD and try ED II at another school.</p>
<p>Agree with CPUScientist and others. </p>
<p>*Does your son still want to go to Syracuse above all others? Then apply RD everywhere else, and get the apps in now. They should be ready to go, so it means spending the extra money for apps and sending test scores. Not fun, but good insurance. Yes, he would be giving up the EDII advantage elsewhere in exchange for ensuring that he has the best possible shot at Syracuse unencumbered by any issues with having both EDI and EDII applications at two different schools.</p>
<p>*Is your son so frustrated with Syracuse that he’s decided to move on? Then see if it’s possible to submit an EDII application (getting the counselor signature by the deadline may be the issue here) and do so if he’s really sure that the EDII school is where he wants to go above all others. Email Syracuse that he wants to be converted to RD.</p>
<p>I like (IIRC) ClassicRockerDad’s suggestion to wait until Syracuse plays out (or you talk to their admissions office after winter break) and then ask to convert the desired EDII school from RD to EDII. He should explain the situation (wanted to apply EDII to the school but EDI school didn’t give a response in time for him to be able to submit, and he felt honor-bound to hold to the terms of the ED commitment). It would be a hard-hearted adcom indeed who wouldn’t be willing to accept that.</p>
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<p>In one of the other myriad ED threads, I’ve said that there’s been a huge change in the ED process in the last three years between D1 and (this cycle) D2. Once upon a time, ED was meant for the school that an applicant loved above all others and was absolutely committed to, come heck or high water. Now it’s often just a bargaining chit.</p>
<p>I’m not seeing much love here. Or much true demonstrated interest. Just gamesmanship.</p>
<p>OP, the reason I’m saying this is because when your son (or you, since I suspect you’re going to be making calls or sending emails) contacts the admissions office, it’s going to weaken his case if he presents the issue in the way you’ve framed it. He applied to Syracuse because it was his top choice. It still is, apparently. So keep that in mind if he decides to continue with the ED app to Syracuse. </p>
<p>Best of luck.</p>
<p>Slithey:
It still is his choice and there is no gamesmanship involved.
Just because it’s his top choice, does not entitle them to diminish his chances at other schools (which they have done). Every other candidate who applied ED from his HS has their application assessed in the ED I timeframe, why not my son? He submitted on time and paid the fee and signed the agreement. That was his end of the bargain and he kept it. Their end of the bargain was to treat his application as an ED I application ( not an ED II or RD app) and they failed and now he does not have an ED II option to use, like everybody else does</p>
<p>Please tell me how this is anything but profoundly unfair?.</p>
<p>It’s not fair. So, ditch SU or sue them. But make sure your son can go somewhere next fall.</p>
<p>For God’s sake, everybody freaking agrees it was unfair. </p>
<p>At this point, nobody–nobody at the university, and certainly nobody on College Confidential–can make you happy. Your options (excuse me, your son’s options) have been listed, discussed, debated and evaluated for pages. </p>
<p>It’s really time to pick one of those options and exercise it. Because it seems unlikely you’re going to persuade everyone that this is quite as calamitous as it seems to you.</p>
<p>Sikorsky:
Calm down.
There has been quality discourse on this and some good advice has emerged, which is the whole point.
Why you so angry?</p>
<p>Soze-
You wrote “Every other candidate who applied ED from his HS has their application assessed in the ED I timeframe, why not my son?”
Did they all apply to the same school at Syracuse?</p>
<p>Milkweed:
Yes, for the purposes of this discussion I was only considering those kids who applied ED to the same program as him.</p>
<p>soze,</p>
<p>I would like to suggest another option. The following has some risks and may not be possible. I would consider this option carefully.</p>
<p>Unless you hear anything from SU before January 1st assume the application has been deferred. If after careful consideration your son decides to apply to another college ED II then submit the common app application online on January 1st. Check carefully on the schools website to see if this is possible. You would be expected to submit other application material to the ED II school. On January 6 contact your guidance consular and inform them of your decision. Also contact SU at that time to see if you are admitted. If your are admitted then simply withdraw your ED II application. If you have been rejected from SU then continue with the ED II application process. If you have been deferred or there is no answer then consider carefully whether you want to continue with the ED II process because if you son is accepted by the ED II school before he withdraws his application he would be expected to attend.</p>
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<p>I won’t. It’s unfair. It’s unfortunate. I understand that you’re justifiably upset. </p>
<p>No one here is a Syracuse adcom, so we have absolutely nothing to offer you except our sympathy and some suggestions. We can’t fix this. </p>
<p>The people who CAN fix this are the Syracuse adcoms. I suggest that they will be far more responsive to an applicant who says “you’re my first choice, my classmates already heard from you, others said I should assume that you’ve denied me and apply elsewhere EDII but I wanted to adhere to the agreement” rather than one who says “this is unfair, you’ve taken away my ability to apply somewhere else EDII”.</p>
<p>And I sincerely hope that you are venting in this fashion to this board but not to your son. This isn’t how I’d choose to model to my own children how to react when life is unfair.</p>
<p>Swimkidsdad, that has been suggested too. </p>
<p>What soze wants is a magic wand to make all this go away for her precious son, because it’s destroying his (and apparently her) life. </p>
<p>Soze, you’re the one who needs to calm down. There is literally NOTHING you can do to change what happened!! Absolutely nothing. Get a grip. You know the options. Pick one. I’m sure your son would be embarrassed if he saw this thread.</p>
<p>Cpu:
Woah!
No magic wand needed. I came here seeking advice because my son kinda got screwed. I got some good, thoughtful advice from several people. </p>
<p>I don’t get your reaction at all.</p>
<p>We get it’s unfair. There’s nothing anyone can do about it. You know your options. Pick one! What do you want? In one sentence can you explain what you want after all of these pages of suggestions? Geez.</p>