<p>Hating Brown because of one stupid tour guide = stupidity on your part.</p>
<p>This gets funnier.</p>
<p>Actually no. The place was just bad. The Pass/Fail thing is what really got me. The average Brown student takes 2 pass/fail classes a semester. Did you know that? and they don't really have a single strong program..everything was just blahhh</p>
<p>Oh and the fact that they jack tuition so high so they can brag about their great financial aid, but at the same time, they make themselves unaffordable to thousands of potential students who are just outside the aid range..(I realize that this doesn't apply just to Brown)</p>
<p>Do you know how much lower Brown's selectivity would be if they weren't an ivy league school? Pretty far the way I see it.</p>
<p>Brown is the most overrated school on CC, and trust me, that is saying a LOT.</p>
<p>The average Brown student takes 2 pass/fail classes a semester.</p>
<p>Your fallacy is in thinking that simply because a course is Pass/Fail then it must be easier than a graded class. Students who wish for a class to be Pass/Fail are held up to the same academic standards as those who elect to have a grade. </p>
<p>and they don't really have a single strong program..everything was just blahhh</p>
<p>Brown is very strong in History, International Relations, Neuroscience and Computer science. It's also the only school in the word to offer a history of math major, so it's the best in that too ;)
The fact that Brown is very strong in more humanity oriented subjects (history) and science (neuroscience) attests to its overall strength as a university. </p>
<p>Oh, and the fact that Brown is basically joined at the hip with RISD (considered to be the Harvard of the art world) makes Brown a very good choice for those interested in the visual arts.</p>
<p>Yeah it is easier because it causes grade inflation. I could have a 4.0 in my 4 years at Brown, but gotten a D in 8 classes because I took 2 pass fail classes each semester (and Brown students can take every single on of their classes pass fail if they choose).</p>
<p>History and international relations majors will essentially be the same at any school you go to, so saying that Brown has a strong history program is saying that the water in my bathtub is wetter than the water in your bathtub. Brown does NOT have a strong computer science program, but I do not know anything about their neuroscience.</p>
<p>Oh and the fact that people who make visual arts their focus usually struggle to make enough money to eat after college also makes brown a bad choice (see $200,000 is a lot of money in the real world). Given the choice, I would rather waste $200,000 in one weekend at Las Vegas than take 4 years to waste the money at Brown.</p>
<p>Every six years, the Consortium on the Financing of Higher Education (COFHE), a group of 31 prestige private colleges (unis and LACs) undertakes a survey of more than 50% of the student body each of their respective schools, utilizing the same methodology. The schools use the results for their own planning purposes, and reflect student assessment of academic quality and quality of campus life. One was completed this year (results to be out in the fall); the last in 2002.</p>
<p>The results are supposed to be wholly private, but (as is often the case), Harvard had its scores leaked. Result? Harvard ranked 27th out of the 31 schools in undergraduate academic quality and quality of campus life. It is likely that both Brown and Cornell and Dartmouth all ranked higher (there aren't too many that ranked lower.)</p>
<p>Believe the rankings? You can believe what you want, they simply are what they are. But, being based on assessments of the majority of students themselves, they are likely far more accurate than anything USNWR comes up with.</p>
<p>Yeah it is easier because it causes grade inflation. I could have a 4.0 in my 4 years at Brown, but gotten a D in 8 classes because I took 2 pass fail classes each semester (and Brown students can take every single on of their classes pass fail if they choose).</p>
<p>Shows how much you know. Brown doesn't offer grades of D, anything lower than a C is failing. Furthermore, Brown doesn't calculate GPA. So when applying to Grad school or trying to go out and get a job, employers/admissions officers are going to only have access to your transcript and are going to look at which classes you chose to get graded in, and which ones you chose pass/fail. This is why most Brown kids choose to get graded in classes that would look impressive. </p>
<p>History and international relations majors will essentially be the same at any school you go to, so saying that Brown has a strong history program is saying that the water in my bathtub is wetter than the water in your bathtub.</p>
<p>What is your basis for this argument? What makes history/international relations special in that they are apparently the same everywhere you go, but something else like Math or Biology won't be. International relations is a branch of Poli-sci and it would be silly to argue that it's the same everywhere.
Also, a lot of people hold Brown computer science in very high regard.</p>
<p>Hippo, do you go to Brown?</p>
<p>Yes I made a mistake about the D part.</p>
<p>I wasn't singling out just history or international relations, but they are by far two of the easiest majors. Contrary to popular belief here you get just about the same education anywhere you go. In this modern age with the internet, you aren't going to get a significantly better education by studying history at Brown over say a public university. Subjects in science are somewhat different, as some schools have better research facilities than others, but the same principle holds nearly true.</p>
<p>Hippo, do you go to Brown?</p>
<p>No, but I will be applying there this fall.
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Contrary to popular belief here you get just about the same education anywhere you go.*</p>
<p>If this is what you truly believe, then why do you keep bashing Brown for not having "top-rated" departments? Based on this belief of yours, Stanford and Brown for example will both offer you the same education in most majors. So why the complaints?</p>
<p>I wasn't singling out just history or international relations, but they are by far two of the easiest majors.</p>
<p>That's a pretty unfair accusation to make. I for one am much better at physics than I am at history. And international relations is a hard major simply by virtue of being such an interdisciplinary major. IR draws upon economics, history, psychology, law, anthropology and many other departments. Don't be so quick to toss it off as an "easy" major.</p>
<p>Brown should be at least #13 and no lower. look at my rankings post for a more accurate top 25.</p>
<p>Not the same education, just not a significantly different education. And as I also said, the same does not necessarily hold true for science and engineering majors which both require extensive research facilities. I was bashing Brown for not having top-rated departments because everyone here claims that they do.</p>
<p>and I'm not complaining about Stanford in this thread, because this is a thread about Brown. For the record though, I would much rather spend $200,000 at Stanford than Brown.</p>
<p>You are stronger at physics, yet you get A's in both disciplines, am I right? I have yet to meet a person that can succeed in the maths and sciences and not be able to succeed in history. but there are plenty of history majors that would fail miserably in a science or math major. Also, Economics, history, psychology, law, and anthropology are all easy IMO, so that was a bad thing to bring up</p>
<p>and I'm not complaining about Stanford in this thread, because this is a thread about Brown. For the record though, I would much rather spend $200,000 at Stanford than Brown.</p>
<p>I never said you were complaining about Stanford, I merely brought it up because since you said that you basically get a very similar education (except for engineering) at most schools that means that you'd get a very similar education at both Stanford and Brown (or Dartmouth and Brown or Berkeley and Brown, etc). So if this is really the case, then why would you personally choose Stanford over Brown (except if you were going to major in engineering, which I admit, Stanford is better)? </p>
<p>Also, Economics, history, psychology, law, and anthropology are all easy IMO, so that was a bad thing to bring up
So basically anything that is more humanities focused is "easy" and the only hard majors are physics, chemistry and engineering?</p>
<p>Stanford: Much better campus, better weather, more prestigious (I feel dirty saying that, but its true), the people there are better (much more friendly, less elitist, less "cliquey", and less snobby in general than those attending ivy league schools), and I like San Francisco and Palo Alto more than Providence RI.</p>
<p>And again, I plan to major in either a science or bioE/ChemE, all of which Stanford trumps Brown. I do not believe that Stanford or Brown have an advantage over each other in anything else.</p>
<p>and you comment on the humanities versus the sciences was correct. Humanities degrees are easy in comparison to science majors.</p>
<p>why do you like brown so much?</p>
<p>hahaha and boy was I right about the Grade inflation at Brown. They had an average GPA in 1999 over 3.47 (couldn't find anything more recent) which was .08 higher than harvard (LOL), .14 higher than Duke, .14 higher than Princeton, and .16 higher than dartmouth which are all typically inflated schools.</p>
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<p>Umm yes, but that was never the point. Some schools place better, as in the top 100 kids at Penn may get great jobs on Wallstreet or in a tech firm, while at another only the top 15 will. That means it places better, each employer factors in gpa's independently for different schools.
Also you really don't make sense. I actually tend to agree that in any top 50 school the basic education (ie what you learn in the classroom) is fairly identical, since in the end the material is all the same. So in that case Brown is an even better choice, because of its excellenct facilities, strong student body and prestige. If you take this belief to be true than the most important aspect of choosing college is Prestige followed by Fit. Your whole concept of majoring= employment is also false, since it is no question that a majority of ivy league kids (and other comparable schools) major in something totally unrelated to their major. I know tons of people who majored in history, or a language or a science then went into Business or Law. Employers can train you on the job, they just want bright hard working kids, which Brown and other great schools like it provide.</p>
<p>Actually, if you to Brown as an undergraduate, it won't matter for ANYTHING, as employers look mostly at your graduate or professional school.</p>
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Actually, if you to Brown as an undergraduate, it won't matter for ANYTHING, as employers look mostly at your graduate or professional school.
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<p>Now that's harsh.</p>
<p>I resort to harsh measures when the CC snobs start bickering, and that IS the harsh reality.</p>
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Actually, if you to Brown as an undergraduate, it won't matter for ANYTHING, as employers look mostly at your graduate or professional school.
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Yes, but it will matter for getting into grad school and it will matter a lot if you choose not to go to grad school. Like for buisness, many people are not bothering to get MBAs....
Looks who's talking your the biggest snob here. Completely ripping on Brown for no apparent reason and claiming you know better than anyone else. Look in the mirror buddy.</p>
<p>Ha. Actually, undergrad institution does not even matter for getting into grad school. Last year, my white cousin graduated from Ripon college (a 3rd tier liberal arts school according to USNWR) in wisconsin with a 3.9 GPA, and a 40 on her MCAT. She's going to Johns Hopkins Schools of Medicine now. Her best friend who also went to Ripon also got into Johns Hopkins. I realize that this is only 2 people, but it goes to show that it does not matter where you went as an undergraduate. You can still get into just about any graduate/professional school if you have good grades. There is no need to blow so much money and go into debt for an undergrad education.</p>
<p>I am ripping on Brown for VERY apparent reasons, and I am not claiming that I know better than everyone else. Please keep using washed-out typical insults :) I am fine responding to them. Just because I will not praise Brown as a school of the gods just because it is ivy league does not make me a snob Bescraze. Please get over yourself.</p>