<p>Does anyone know why US News claims Brown’s admission rate was 13,8? I thought it was 10,8?!
And why isn’t Brown ranked higher although the school is way more selective than e.g. UPenn and has a better international reputation?
Brown came in 6th in Undergrad teaching by the way, whatever that means…</p>
<p>13.8 is correct. And Brown has a very small amount of graduates, isn’t always respected among peer presidents due to the “unrigorous” open curriculum (which, as an actual undergraduate, is one of it’s biggest strengths), and Brown doesn’t only choose people with high test scores, as it focuses on things that aren’t necessarily as tangible as test scores, in an effort to get kids who will actually be successful in whatever program they choose. Brown doesn’t look for machines.</p>
<p>But the “best” college does not necessarily mean the best undergraduate experience, or even the best placement into graduate programs. And I’m not surprised they came in 6th in undergrad teaching, because USNWR ranks them as a WHOLE university (grad programs included), but because Brown has such a small grad program, undergrads end up being able to fill roles that at other schools would be taken up by grad students. From what I’ve heard from professors, they’re forced to actually use their undergrads, unlike in other universities.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure that 10,8% was mentioned in my Brown letter.(Like 25000 applicants and 2600 were taken…)
And are you sure about the Grad thinng? Dartmouth doesn#t even have a grad school e.g…</p>
<p>Yes but eh. USNWR does the rankings of the university as a whole, not just how good the udnergraduate education is. This means that Harvard, with the best Law, and one of the top Business schools in the nation, gets bumped up for that (not even counting its reputation), as Penn gets bumped up for Wharton. And I really don’t know about Dartmouth, but they may be helped slightly because they don’t even have graduate programs, meaning they’re only judged on their undergraduate programs (not sure exactly how it all works). The rankigns are called the Best US Universities. Which includes grad programs (at the least, grad programs have an effect on the peer assessment score).</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure Brown’s acceptance was 13 something, but the 10.8% may have been the regular decision acceptance rate, because ED was over 20%</p>
<p>I believe I heard that USN&WR’s data is actually from the Class of 2012 (2008 admissions cycle) so the 13.8% figure is being used. 10.8% is indeed the Class of 2013’s (2009 admissions cycle) and will be used in next year’s USN&WR rankings unless we finally abstain or the Brown Organization Resisting Kleptomaniacal Elitism Delineation (BORKED) succeeds by inciting a revolt against USN&WR’s fueling of prestigious mongering.</p>
<p>What’s BORKED? Is Brown honestly considering boycotting USWN? Didn’t Reed do that in the first place and dropped miraculously by like 20 places?</p>
<p>I’m not sure anyone who goes to Reed or would want to go to Reed cares about its USNews ranking. Nor do I think any graduate department or learned employer would see that as a mark against the esteemed school. Which might be a good illustration in the benignity of Brown (or any school) also demurring from the process. </p>
<p>Incidentally, once their rankings crumble, the magazine won’t be far behind it. USNews as a monthly (or biweekly?) and mediocre current-events magazine doesn’t have much else going for it.</p>
<p>Yes they have separate rankings for specific graduate programs but they also made a “new” list (done once before a long time ago) this year called “Best Undergraduate Teaching”. Hence, it suggests that the “America’s Best Colleges” ranking list is more the summation of all aspects of a university, undergraduate and graduate, regardless of each university’s individual core educational mission. Having recognized the need for some type of measure, though likely as flawed as their other methodologies, they brought back this list of “Best Undergraduate Teaching”. If they didn’t recognize that some universities have different core education missions, why then would they even have a separate list for liberal arts colleges?</p>