<p>I am an international student who applies to Cornell this year. As far as I know, Cornell only gives aid to about 30-40 international students each year, so it is very likely that I am accepted without aid. So I can break ED in that case</p>
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<li><p>However, as I read some posts on CC, it is stated that schools share lists of ED accepted students. If I do not have enough aid, when will I have to notify Cornell about my financial status and my ED break to apply RD? Do other colleges know that Cornell does not give sufficient aid to me or they just see that I am accepted ED then break the ED agreement? </p></li>
<li><p>I really love Cornell so I want to appeal for more aid but it is a waste of time as there are only 20 days left to apply RD after getting accepted ED. I really want to both apply to RD and also appeal for more aid. Can I do that? Or other colleges in that case know that I am accepted ED but still apply to their colleges (at that time, I am appealing for aid at Cornell so I do not officially break ED)?</p></li>
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<p>You don’t have to wait to apply RD to other schools - you could do that now. Once you receive your ED decision - then you are supposed to withdraw your other applications, but I don’t think you would have to do that while you are appealing for more aid. </p>
<p>I have no experience with international applications and ED aid appeals however, so perhaps someone with more experience will add their opinion.</p>
<p>The biggest thing to keep in mind is that an appeal is unlikely to get you much. They have a budget for what they will give internationals and will have decided how much they want to give you. So apply widely!</p>
<p>But the problem is when I apply RD (I mean sending application to RD schools), those schools may know that I am accepted ED then reject me immediately but they may not know that I am appealing for aid. At that time there are many situations may happen. The worse is:
I appeal for aid as they give me $0 as Cornell is not generous to international students. I both then appeal for aid and apply RD. At that time, RD schools know that I am accepted ED but they don’t know my aid appeal—> I may get rejected at all RD schools and have no aid at Cornell. :(</p>
<p>There has been a lengthy debate about this on College Confidential. In the earlier years, the debate was about being able to obtain a release from the binding nature of ED. Because of the nebulous language of the Common Application, the debate moved to discuss if the student had the right to decide if the financial was not sufficient. The latest twist is that some believe that a student might be able to appeal a financial aid package AND maintain RD applications. </p>
<p>Although some might disagree, I do not believe that the “looser” rules of ED are meant to opening the doors for negotiations of the financial packages and that anything has changed regarding having to cancel all RD applications when ACCEPTING the ED offer. The only exception to the rule would be when a school does NOT present a financial aid offer by the deadline. </p>
<p>Fwiw, it is good to remember that the acceptance rate by students of ED offers offer remain extremely high. Very few students end up turning down an ED offer or seeking a release. This seem to indicate that the schools are providing financial aid packages that meet the demonstrated needs of their applicants.</p>
<p>If Cornell sees that you need a lot of financial aid and they go on to accept you without providing the aid you need, it won’t come as a shock to them that you’d have to be released from ED.</p>
<p>The window of time between getting an ED acceptance and the deadline to confirm that you’ll attend (and sending in a deposit) is very short. Usually just a few weeks at the most. If you do not get sufficient aid, you would have to call them immediately and ask if any adjustments could be made to your aid package. Since you are an ED applicant, they will respond to your appeal quickly so you have the information you need to either confirm your attendance or get a release from your ED agreement.</p>
<p>They don’t have time to turn it into a protracted process.</p>
<p>Don’t worry about any lists. Meet deadlines, act quickly, honestly, and have your RD applications either already sent in, or ready to get out quickly in case you can’t attend Cornell or don’t get accepted to Cornell. If you are not breaking any rules and are timely and ethical, there is no reason for you to worry about this.</p>
<p>If you are accepted to Cornell and get the aid you need, then immediately withdraw all your other outstanding applications.</p>
<p>If you’re in any doubt about ending up on a list while you try to arrange financial aid, then just ask Cornell about how that works. Is there a chance your release from ED could put you on a list that might hurt your chances of acceptance at other schools? What would trigger that? When could it happen? What can you do to make sure it doesn’t happen?</p>
<p>They’ll tell you what their policies are. Just be honest. If you’re acting in an ethical way and just trying to give yourself your best shot at getting into your first choice college, and you respect their rules, deadlines, etc. then you’ll be okay.</p>
<p>Wow…only 20? There are probably 5,000+ int’ls applying to Cornell needing aid. (I don’t know how many are really applying, but it seems like many in’ts apply to every ivy.)</p>
<p>I get this number from an alumni from Cornell although an officer in Financial aid office told me that there were about 30-50 internationals getting financial aid.
Actually I risked applying as they told me that I could back out from ED, but I was an international so I did not know much about admission. I also did not expect getting out of ED agreement was that difficult. Just hope that when I receive my application result from Cornell, I won’t have to come to this thread again to ask for advice.
Anyway, thank you very much</p>
<p>If you APPLY to some regular decision schools NOW, they will not know your status at Cornell at all. If you are able to accept your admission at Cornell and the aid is adequate, then you will be require to withdraw all of the other applications. </p>
<p>If you decide to withdraw from your ED acceptance (should you receive one), you will be DONE with Cornell and you will have your RD schools from which to choose. </p>
<p>There has been discussion here about the “sharing” of ED acceptances amongst peer schools (other Ivies for example, in the case of Cornell) and that does seem likely (though not proven). So…if your RD schools include the Ivies, it is “possible” that your declining an ED acceptance at Cornell COULD affect your admissions chances at another Ivy.</p>
<p>Here in the United States a GC wiould not agree to send any of your records to another school once you have filed an ED application. Is this not the same for internationals? If you have filed ED you should not have sent another application out after the fact. As of a few years ago the ED rule was that all applications had to wait until you received your ED notification. It still confuses me as to why someone does not understand what they are signing when they put their name to the ED agreement. You should not have applied ED if you are an international student hoping to receive full aid. There are plenty of other students who live both in and out of the country, who would like that spot. Posts like this are just so irritating.</p>
<p>By the way do you have the link that says only 20 internationals receive aid? I find that number a bit odd given Cornell has such a huge international population.</p>
<p>ED applicants routinely apply to other schools typically rolling admissions…but MUST pull any outstanding applications and acceptances (like to rolling admissions schools) once they receive their ED acceptance.</p>
<p>Not true - my son applied ED to one school, and EA/RD/rolling to a number of other schools. All the applications were due around the same time. I can’t remember if any were submitted after the ED application went in, but it doesn’t matter. The GC was completely aware of his plan. Once he received his ED acceptance, all the other schools were notified and the applications and/or acceptances were withdrawn.</p>
<p>Yes my sons sent out safety school applications and had acceptances in hand when they sent out their ED application. However, once the ED application goes out the student should not be sending any other apps out. The GC should understand that the ED agreement is like signing a contract with an implied intent.</p>
<p>While there may be schools, GCs, or parents who follow this rule, it is NOT what any ED college requires. ED colleges generally don’t care where else you apply or when and in what order, as long as you only have one binding ED application in effect at the same time, and you are willing to withdraw the other applications if the ED college accepts you. The only exception to that rule of which I know is Brown, which doesn’t want ED applicants to apply Early Admission anywhere, even though EA is nonbinding. Absolutely nothing should prevent a student who has an ED application outstanding somewhere from sending regular-decision applications in to other colleges. (Of course, the student may not want to pay application fees until he hears from the ED college, since any fees he pays now will not get refunded if he withdraws the relevant applications in 2-3 weeks.)</p>
<p>As for the timing of turning down an ED acceptance based on inadequate financial aid: I think many/most ED colleges ask you to confirm your enrollment intention within 3-4 weeks after getting an ED acceptance, i.e., by January 10 or so. That gives plenty of time to discuss the financial aid award (which should accompany the ED acceptance), appeal it, etc. As long as the student is proceeding diligently and at least semi-reasonably to address financial aid issues, I don’t think anyone would look askance at him not withdrawing other applications. </p>
<p>What would cross the line for me would be trying to drag things out so that you got more acceptances and more aid offers to compare. That’s the big no-no. Ordinarily, that’s not going to happen by a January 10 or January 15 deadline. What basically guarantees students’ good faith in this process is that they face a tough dilemma: They can turn down the ED school if they aren’t satisfied with the aid, but they don’t get to look at what everyone else may offer them first, and they can’t go back to the ED school and ask to be admitted if no one else gives them a better deal. Very, very few students wind up turning down ED acceptances under those conditions. If people think you are trying to change the game so that you get to see what’s behind Door #2 before surrendering the prize you already have in hand, that’s when they are going to start getting angry and thinking about how they can make an example of you.</p>
<p>Finally, if Cornell accepts the OP ED, it will probably provide pretty good aid. If it is not going to provide the aid, the likely outcome will be to reject the OP, not accept him or her with inadequate aid. There are colleges that would do that – lots and lots of them, in fact – but not so many in Cornell’s market tier. There are also colleges that don’t accept ED applications at all from internationals requesting aid. I believe (without checking) that Cornell is need-aware for international applicants, but usually what that means is that it won’t accept an international unless it is prepared to offer at least what it considers adequate aid. That may include loans, and the OP may not agree that it’s adequate, but it’s not likely to be an all-or-nothing thing.</p>
<p>There are 2 things which made me sign my ED Agreement with Cornell. The first is that Cornell was my 1st choice college and I loved it very much so I am sure that if I am admitted with enough financial aid (my EFC is $12500 and it is the maximum my family can contribute), I will enroll. The second is that I can back out unless I get sufficient aid. My family CAN NOT contribute more than 12500 because my family has just sold one of our two houses to get money for my education, so even the contribution comes to $15000, I think I may appeal. </p>
<p>As I said before, Cornell has only limited aid for international students. A fact should be considered is that Cornell is need-blind but does not always 100% need so I may be accepted but the Financial Aid office does not give me aid. One student from my country in the past was accepted with no financial aid. </p>
<p>The fact about how many students were provided aid in Class 2014 is from an officer in the Financial Aid office. Last year, there were 281 International students, 53 of whom were provided aid, which is 1.6% of the class. But one alumnus from Cornell assumed that many of those 53 people were recruited athletes from Canada so there were actually about 20-25 people getting financial aid. So the chance I do not have enough financial aid is VERY HIGH. </p>
<p>If I am lucky to be accepted but Cornell does not give me financial aid, I think I may back out although I love it very much. If Cornell expects my family to pay about $15000, I will definitely appeal as I love the school and want to stop the tiring application process. But if my appeal is rejected, I think I can not follow Cornell’s expectation. So do other Ivies know that I tried my best to appeal? Or they just know that I am untrustworthy as I back out ED Cornell?</p>
<p>By the way, I do not plan to compare financial aid between schools. I just simply want my need met.</p>
<p>If you back out of Cornell’s ED agreement the other schools will be made aware of it. I can not imagine that any of the other Ivy’s will offer you more than Cornell. It seems like some unspoken ammount that they provide for need based aid. Is it too late to withdraw your ED application and apply regular decision so that you can compare financial aid offers?</p>
<p>FYI, JHS, Georgetown has an EA program (not ED) whereby you cannot apply anywhere else ED. Since there is no admissions bump, I don’t see the point of EA-ing at Georgetown.</p>
<p>When students are looking to get their need met, they do this by comparing financial aid offers between schools. One school might provide enough need so that your family only has to pay $12,000 a year. Another school might expect your family to pay $20,000. You can’t know until 1) you’re accepted, and 2) you receive a financial aid offer. That’s the problem with ED. Imagine (purely hypothetically) Cornell offers you enough at ED so that your family will need to pay $15,000. You negotiate, they don’t increase your offer, so you turn them down. Then (again, purely hypothetically), your best RD offer requires that your family contribute $16,000. You can’t then go back to the Cornell ED offer. </p>
<p>momma-three, surely there is variation in how much aid any Ivy college offers to a student? Each school has its own FA office, so it’s not a standardized process across the league.</p>