questions about mcgill

<p>my son has been accepted about mcgill and would love to hear from other parents who have sons and daughters there. One of the thing I keep hearing is that students need to be very self directed, organized etc...that mcgill can be very bureacratic and that students need to be quite assertive. I don't thing that describes my son very well and am concerned this will be a problem.</p>

<p>I also am wondering what the housing situation is post freshmen. </p>

<p>What do you and your child like best/dislike about Mcgill?</p>

<p>Thank you so much</p>

<p>Try this McGill forum: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/mcgill-university/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/mcgill-university/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>My daughter's best friend from high school is a senior at McGill now. One of my nieces (and her best friend) went there about 8 years ago, and left, and I have known a few other kids less well who went there. So . . . not really first hand info here, but not so bad second hand.</p>

<p>Before the current student, I used to say negative things about McGill a lot. In addition to my niece and her friend, several other kids I knew transferred out. They all had a common experience -- very impersonal, large lectures, bureaucratic, hard to change directions, no campus life. My niece was not the best test case -- everyone knew she had chosen the wrong program for her, and she had a boyfriend and a pretty lucrative weekend job that were elsewhere -- but her friend was a very intellectual good-student kind of person, and her unhappiness with McGill was very telling for me.</p>

<p>However, I have had to revise my views, because my daughter's intellectual, good-student friend has had nothing but positive experiences there, has just really loved it. She turned down Penn to go there, and has never had second thoughts. She was in a freshman honors program that featured mainly seminars, so she missed the cast-of-thousands lecture-class experience that many have their first year. She has been satisfied with all of her classes, really engaged, headed for a PhD program in archaeology. </p>

<p>Housing: she was perfectly happy to move off campus after first year. On-campus housing was crummy, off-campus housing is not terribly cheap, but is really cool. Montreal is an exciting, somewhat romantic city, with great youth culture. A really good place to go to college for someone who wants a city, not a little college town or a college in a bubble. Most of the students live within fairly easy walking distance of the campus, and student-appropriate apartments are plentiful. Work: Her student visa permits her to get part-time and seasonal work. She has had no trouble earning money.</p>

<p>McGill seems not so unlike a largish American public university. Yes, bureaucratic. Yes, you may have to suffer through huge introductory lecture courses to get to the intimate upper-level courses in your field. Yes, you are responsible for making certain you are on track. Building a social life is left to the student, not the college. </p>

<p>Note: The drinking age in Quebec is 18. Exhibit A for the proposition "Canada really is a different country" was the orientation letter on official university stationery: It noted that one of the goals of freshman orientation was to introduce students to the city of Montreal, and that many official events were being staged in clubs and bars around the city. Therefore, students who were not going to be 18 at the start of orientation were told to call the dean's office, which would make certain they were issued an ID card that said they were 18. I'm not kidding. (Daughter's friend called on day 3 of orientation and said that if she never spoke to another drunk boy, it would be too soon. She was hanging out with the Communists because they seemed to drink a little less than everyone else. But apparently, by the end of the first few weeks, the novelty has worn off, and the amount of drunkenness seems less than at the equivalent U.S. universities.)</p>

<p>Also note: If, like people on a recent thread, you are upset about the liberal political bent on U.S. campuses, don't bother with McGill. The political spectrum is much more European, minus the neo-fascists. A typical knee-jerk American liberal is probably center-right there.</p>

<p>Finally: McGill is an institution of Montreal's Anglophone community. While Montreal is bilingual, and lots of French is spoken, it is more than possible to enjoy McGill and Montreal without more French than a few street phrases you pick up along the way.</p>

<p>I think JHS provides a pretty accrurate description. It is a big school, so there are those large classes. And there is a lot of drinking but there is also a lot of work so people don't drink too much after the first couple of weeks from what I hear. As for the housing, in Canada most people don't stay in residence beyond first year. Most people live in off campus houses and apartments. Some of the McGill residences are nice, others are just ok, it seems that the selection process is pretty random. One of the biggest residences ia an old hotel, so bathroom shared with just one person, double beds etc. Montreal is one of my favourite cities, and there is so much to do (not just partying).</p>

<p>JHS - So you actually have a letter in hand that said McGill basically have an underground lab to create fake ID for underaged international students? And that the dean is in charge of the distribution of such ID? This is illegal in Canada.</p>

<p>I don't have it in hand, but I read it and touched it (in July 2005). There was nothing about the letter limited to international students -- it looked like the same letter was sent to all incoming freshmen.</p>

<p>It wasn't an underground lab. McGill issues tens of thousands of student IDs. They just wanted to know if you needed a different birthday on yours! (To be fair, the letter as I remember it was not that explicit. It said something like "issue you a special ID that will ensure your access to these sites and full participation in orientation events". So it's possible that it was not actually an ID with falsified information. On the other hand, there was no question that the university's official policy was to "laisser les bons temps rouler", including for new students who were not yet 18.)</p>

<p>The reason I pointed out internationals is because McGill has a very large population of Quebecois students. As you know, in Quebec, students must attend 2 years of community college before entering university, therefore they are 19 or 20 when they are freshman. The rest of Canadian students must do grade 13, bringing the age above 18 when entering McGill, which leave the internationals. I believe the card must have give them permission to enter an establisment that sell alcohol, not to drink. I still cannot believe that the birth date was change. Can you imagine the law suits!!! One student is bound to tell, and one parent is bound to react. I know I would!!!</p>

<p>Most establishments are pretty laissez faire about the drinking age as it is. 16 year olds have no problem getting into bars and strip clubs, and there's an annual senior trip to Montreal at my school which is basically a drunken haze. While New Res (the hotel) seems to be the most popular, I've heard that there are a lot of issues with drugs.</p>

<p>I think what JHS described really applies to most Canadian schools. They're all publicly funded and large/impersonal, although campus life varies.</p>

<p>Canadian students outside of Quebec do not have to do grade 13. Ontario used to have grade 13 but that was phased out with the high school class of 2003. So most students from outside Quebec are about eighteen when they start. Even students from Quebec who go to private school are often eighteen because they do grade 12 instead of CEGEP. Quebec is diffenately the most leniant province about the drinking age, I live on the boarder and in my province the drinking age is 19 and much stricter so many people go to Quebec. Not all Canadian schools are large and in personal, there are quite a few smaller schools, the most well known ones are the large ones.</p>

<p>Absolutely Illiminar!!! It is a cultural difference. When you send a child to another country, I am assuming that is exactly what you want the experience to be, cultural. With the amount of colleges/universities in the States, and all of the programs available, there is no need to pursue an education elsewhere.</p>

<p>In addition to McGill, I know several American students who are currently at the University of Toronto, or who recently graduated from it. In all cases, it was a question of a major university in a great city at a cost significantly below the cost of an equivalent American university. The cultural differences, such as they are (much less in Toronto than in Montreal), are a bonus, but not the main attraction. It's all about quality, urban environment, and COA.</p>

<p>U of T is a great school, but I don't know if it would be a fit for any student worried about McGill being too impersonal or large. Toronto has twice as many undergrads (about 50,000), and many (most) are commuters. There is a central campus loop, but it's also pretty spread out.</p>

<p>I have heard that U of T feels much smaller then one would imagine, because of their college system. It is like attedending a much smaller university, but with all the resources of a large school. My daughter attends a much smaller (closer to 5, 000 people) university with a college system and she loves it. Worth looking into.</p>

<p>About underage drinking support at McGill - the letter JHS quotes seems TO ME to be saying that they will make an ID for you that will allow you access to the VENUES where the Frosh (their name for the orientation parties under discussion) are being held. Those venues are frequently bars. I did not read the letter as saying that they will produce a fake ID with a fake birth date so that you will be able to illegally drink. I don't think it would be very difficult to get drunk with an under-18 ID during Frosh -- you just need the assistance of some of the other kids in your party group, which I bet would be pretty forthcoming -- I just don't think McGill is printing fake ID's to help you do it.</p>

<p>The older Quebecois students (post CEGEP) are doing McGill in 3 years and mostly do not have to take 1st year classes, so the actual kids in yr class would be about the same age as you.</p>

<p>Back to original questions:
My son has liked his dorm a great deal. He has made lots of friends there and is now looking for an apartment to rent with 2 others for next year. Lots more of their friends are also looking for apartments in the same area. Much as he liked this year in the dorm, he does not sound sorry to be moving on to more independent living. Seems wise to me - a year to get used to college life with someone else doing the cooking, and then on to more independent adult life skills such as budgetting, shopping for and cooking your own food. </p>

<p>Some of his first-year classes have been very large and impersonal; some have not. McGill is definitely a "you get back what you put into it" place. However, I would not say that 'students need to be quite assertive' - that sort of makes it sound like you'll get steamrolled if your elbows aren't sharp enough. I'd say the difference is that you won't find internships, lab research positions, etc. without asking for them/seeking them out. But there are very few schools where great opportunities are thrust at students willy-nilly...</p>

<p>What other schools is your son considering?</p>